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Hope this reference helps those seeking out Pat Benatar's single versions on compact disc. Her discography is a mess with low budget compilations, but by buying 2 or 3 of the official ones you can gather all of the correct mixes in superb sound quality. :)
Best Shots (UK, 1987)
This collects all of her UK singles up to 1986.
- Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Remix)
- Love Is A Battlefield (Single Version)
- We Belong (Single Version) with speed glitch on intro. The tape starts slow and within 2 seconds slips into the correct speed.
- We Live For Love (aka We Live For Love '85...from the We Belong 12" single)
- Sex As A Weapon (Album Version)
- Invincible (Single Edit)
- Shadows Of The Night (Single Fade)
- Heartbreaker (Album Version)
- Fire And Ice (Album Version)
- Treat Me Right (Album Version)
- If You Think You Know How To Love Me (Single Edit)
- You Better Run (Album Version)
Best Shots (US Version, 1989)
- Love Is A Battlefield (Album Version)
- Promises In The Dark (Album Version)
- One Love (Album Version)
- All Fired Up (Album Version)
- We Live For Love (Remixed Album Version)
- Hell Is For Children (Album Version)
- Shadows Of The Night (Album Version)
- Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Album Version)
- We Belong (Album Version)
- Invincible (Album Version)
- Fire And Ice (Album Version)
- Heartbreaker (Album Version)
- Suffer The Little Children/Hell Is For Children (Live 1988) CD Bonus Track
- Painted Desert (Album Version) CD Bonus Track
- Outlaw Blues (1989 Re-recorded version of song originally included on 1984's Tropico) CD Bonus Track
Greatest Hits (Worldwide, 2005)
- Heartbreaker (Album Version)
- We Live For Love (Remixed ALBUM Version, the correct single version is this mix faded early)
- Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Album Version)
- Hell Is For Children (Album Version)
- Treat Me Right (Single Version) debut on CD, remixed and faded earlier than the album version
- You Better Run (Album Version)
- Fire And Ice (Album Version)
- Promises In The Dark (Album Version)
- Precious Time (Album Version)
- Shadows Of The Night (Single Fade)
- Little Too Late (Single Edit)
- Looking For A Stranger (Album Version)
- Love Is A Battlefield (Single Version)
- We Belong (ALBUM version, not the single mix!...)
- Ooh Ooh Song (Album Version)
- Invincible (Single Edit)
- Sex As A Weapon (Album Version)
- Le Bel Age (Single Fade)
- All Fired Up (Single Version)
- One Love (Single Edit)
All Fired Up: The Very Best Of Pat Benatar (US, 1994)
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- I Need A Lover (Album Version)
- If You Think You Know How To Love Me (Single Edit)
- Heartbreaker (Album Version)
- We Live For Love (Rock Radio Mix / Single Version) - finally, the PROPER single version on CD
- You Better Run (mono version) - this was clearly a mastering oversight. The Album Version is the single version.
- Hit Me With Your Best Shot (Album Version)
- Treat Me Right (Album Version with Fade) - the length of the single version, but the wrong mix. See 2005's Greatest Hits for the correct mix.
- Hell Is For Children (Album Version)
- Fire And Ice (Album Version)
- Promises In The Dark (Album Version)
- Shadows Of The Night (Single Fade)
- Little Too Late (Single Edit)
- Looking For A Stranger (Album Version)
- Anxiety (Get Nervous) (Album Version)
- Love Is A Battlefield (Single Version)
- Lipstick Lies (Album Version)
CD2
- We Belong (Single Version) NO GLITCH!
- Ooh Ooh Song (Album Version)
- Temporary Heroes (Single Version)
- Invincible (Single Edit)
- Sex As A Weapon (Album Version)
- Le Bel Age (Single Fade)
- All Fired Up (Single Version)
- Don't Walk Away (Single Fade)
- Let's Stay Together (Single Version)
- One Love (Single Edit)
- True Love (Album Version)
- Payin' The Cost To Be The Boss (Album Version)
- So Long (Album Version)
- Everybody Lay Down (Single Edit)
- Somebody's Baby (Single Edit)
- Crazy (Single Edit)
- Everytime I Fall Back (Single Version / Remix Edit)
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To sum things up, you need Greatest Hits, All Fired Up: The Very Best Of Pat Benatar and Best Shots (International, 1987) to collect all of her top 40 songs in their correct single versions.
All of her Top 40 entries are featured on the 2005 single disc release Greatest Hits, but they neglected to use the proper single mixes for "We Live For Love", "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" and "We Belong". For "We Live For Love" and "We Belong" you will need the 1994 double CD All Fired Up: The Very Best Of Pat Benatar. For "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" you will need the international pressing of Best Shots.
Though all of the Top 40 singles are featured on All Fired Up: The Very Best Of Pat Benatar, Greatest Hits is still a necessary purchase as it is the only CD release of the Treat Me Right single mix.
Best Shots (US) is unnecessary if you are trying to obtain the US Top 40 mixes, but it does include (as CD bonus tracks) a live recording of Suffer The Little Children/Hell Is For Children and a new recording of Outlaw Blues otherwise only released on a promotional One Love CD Single.
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Underground Dub wrote:
| To sum things up, you need Greatest Hits and All Fired Up: The Very Best Of Pat Benatar to collect all of her top 40 songs in their correct single versions. |
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You'll also need the UK CD Best Shots, unless you don't care about having the 45 version of "Hit Me With Your Best Shot." :) The "Rock Guitar" mix IS the US 45 version.
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Oh my god, you're right. It's been years since I spun the 45. Thank you so much for catching that!
Let me edit my list. Everything else I assure you is correct. :)
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So the single of Sex as a Weapon used the Album Version?
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Yes, the album and single versions of Sex As A Weapon are identical and run 4:15.
Another note: "Ooh Ooh Song" has an edit, only on promo and non-US singles (7" and 12"), and "Promises In The Dark" has a promo-only edit (also limited to vinyl).
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Regarding "We Live for Love" and "Treat Me Right", am I understanding correctly that the respective commercial 45 releases for these singles are different mixes than their LP counterparts and not simply early fades? If so, then it looks like Pat will need to make some corrections to the database because all CD appearances for these two songs are currently distinguished by "45 length" and "LP length".
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I found the 45 mix of "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" on a 5-CD Australian box set called Pop Complete, EMI 7243 4 98604 2 1, released 1999.
The sound on some tracks is a little flat, as if they weren't using first-generation tapes, but none of the tracks are maximized (a.k.a. compressed/squashed - mastered too loud resulting in clipping). The track selection is outstanding - a nice collection of US hits, UK hits, and some Australian hits I've never heard before. Highly recommended.
Also put out by EMI Australia in the 5-CD brick format:
Seventies Complete (EMI 7243 8 14835 2 7, rel 1997)
Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (EMI 7243 4 94552 2 1, rel 1999)
Eighties Complete (EMI 7243 8 56761 2 3, rel 1997) - this one has the bells-only intro to Naked Eyes's "Always Something There To Remind Me"!
Eighties Complete Vol. 2 (EMI 7243 4 99334 2 2, rel 1999)
There may be more in the series.
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i just listened to my commercial 45 of "treat me right" side by side to the cd version from "all fired up"....i don't hear any difference...
underground dub....can you please tell me what the differences are because they sound identical to me.....
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another item.....the song "shadows of the night" actually runs 3:43 on the 45 while the 45 versions on cd run 3:40.....can the true 45 version be re-created by lengthing the fade out from the cd/lp version??....this slight oversight may be because the 45 label states a run time of 3:40.....maybe that's why the people who put the cd compilations together faded it to 3:40 and NOT the proper 3:43 length...they never listened to the 45 th verify it's true length...
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Ed:
I too wonder sometimes if the reason some 45 versions are faded early on CD is because of mastering engineers referencing an incorrect run time printed on the 45 label.
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edtop40 wrote:
| another item.....the song "shadows of the night" actually runs 3:43 on the 45 while the 45 versions on cd run 3:40.....can the true 45 version be re-created by lengthing the fade out from the cd/lp version??....this slight oversight may be because the 45 label states a run time of 3:40.....maybe that's why the people who put the cd compilations together faded it to 3:40 and NOT the proper 3:43 length...they never listened to the 45 th verify it's true length... |
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In this case, I'd say it's more likely that it was faded out three seconds early because there was some audible tape hiss at the end of the track. That's pretty standard on CDs, especially on older CDs.
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edtop40 wrote:
i just listened to my commercial 45 of "treat me right" side by side to the cd version from "all fired up"....i don't hear any difference...
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Is it possible that you two have different 45 RPM pressings? One could have the album version, and the other a remixed, shorter version. This sort of thing happened all the time...
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Bringing this topic up again as my 45 of "Treat Me Right" is not the remixed version found on "Greatest Hits" Capitol 78858 which is a slight remix. My version of "Treat Me Right" is a dj Chrysalis 2487, matrix number CHS-2487-AS-circle 1 and seems to be the same as every other cd appearance but "Greatest Hits".
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The ORIGINAL vinyl LP version of "We Live for Love" was a much more dance/new wave sounding mix without all the guitar riffs. It was swapped out pretty quickly for the guitar mix, and sadly has never appeared on CD. it's the version I much prefer over the version that was edited down for the single. I guess because Heartbreaker was such a hard rock song, they were concerned about releasing a follow-up single with no hard guitar licks in it. Chrysalis records seemed to like pulling that replacement mix game, because they did the same thing with Heart of Glass on the Parallel Lines LP, eventually replacing the original cut with the near 6 minute 'disco version'.
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budaniel wrote:
| The ORIGINAL vinyl LP version of "We Live for Love" was a much more dance/new wave sounding mix without all the guitar riffs. It was swapped out pretty quickly for the guitar mix, and sadly has never appeared on CD. it's the version I much prefer over the version that was edited down for the single. I guess because Heartbreaker was such a hard rock song, they were concerned about releasing a follow-up single with no hard guitar licks in it. Chrysalis records seemed to like pulling that replacement mix game, because they did the same thing with Heart of Glass on the Parallel Lines LP, eventually replacing the original cut with the near 6 minute 'disco version'. |
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Didn't Epic do that with Off the Wall by Jacko? Was it "Rock With You"? I have never heard another version of that song. Is it easy to find?
I have two copies of "We Live for Love" on the "Heat of the Night" Album. Was the original mix the one with dribbly sounding guitar all the way through, and less front guitar and drum rolls prior to the verses? (hard to describe, but I like it the best). The replacement was very raunchy, and they used that on the 45 too.
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Yes Jody, that's the one. The popular mix with the 'raunchy' guitar even behind the verses was the replacement version. The original mix has that more pulsing sound, almost like a horse gallop rhythm. It's even mentioned in the liner notes of I think the synchronistic wanderings compilation, and when I read the actual reference to it, I was like, "so why didn't you include that obscure version on here???"
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It always surprises me when I hear of albums with a different mix of a track inserted. I know about the self-titled "Heart" album from 1985 and also the Pointer Sisters "Break Out" from 1984, but wouldn't that mean cutting brand new laquers for the whole album - they can't just replace a track that way can they?
Sorry...don't know much about how they actually press vinyl...seen a couple of quick 5-min pieces on it and that's all!
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torcan wrote:
It always surprises me when I hear of albums with a different mix of a track inserted. I know about the self-titled "Heart" album from 1985 and also the Pointer Sisters "Break Out" from 1984, but wouldn't that mean cutting brand new laquers for the whole album - they can't just replace a track that way can they?
Sorry...don't know much about how they actually press vinyl...seen a couple of quick 5-min pieces on it and that's all! |
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They would have to create a new laquer for each side that had a changed track.
Was the Whitney Houston debut album a similar situation with "Greatest Love Of All"? I know on the CD version they replaced this song with the 45 version in later pressings, but I'm not sure about the vinyl. I bought the vinyl album very early in 1986 and it had the LP version of "Greatest Love".
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they also replaced the original mix of Heart of Glass with the 5:50 "Disco mix" on Blondie's Parallel Lines. What I never understood about the Pointer Sisters release was, to release the album with I'm So Excited on it, they had to remove one of the other songs originally on the album! I can't even remember what it was called, but I'm just shocked that it wasn't included as a bonus track on the CD release.
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