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Regarding Starship "It's Not Over ('Til It's Over)", the commercial 45 does run (4:30) and is considerably different from the LP in both mix and edits. Now I have a dj copy of this 45 which has a different mix on each side - one is called the "rock mix" and the other is called the "Tom mix". Both run 4:16 and are not the commercial 45 faded early. So my question is, are there any dj copies out there that equal the commercial 45, running 4:30????
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Thanks, Pat. You raise a good question about whether any DJ copies contain the 4:30 single version of Starship's "It's Not Over ('Til It's Over)" because even all of the promo CD single copies I've seen contain the same two mixes as on your DJ 45. If I do run across a DJ copy running 4:30, I'll let everyone know.
One update to report:
GTR - When the Heart Rules the Mind ==> Single length - 4:28. Album length - 5:26. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45)
When I originally posted this entry, I speculated that there may be two different 45s of this song. I've confirmed one of them. The copy I have runs 4:28 and is just an early fade of its LP counterpart. Whitburn lists a single run time of 3:58 in his Top Pop Annual 1955-1999 publication, so I must have the "long" 45 pressing.
Let's bring on the next batch!
Keith Sweat - Keep It Comin' ==> Single version - 3:56. Album version - 4:09.
Edtop40 informs me his cassette single copy features the "Hip Hop Mix with Rap" version. Something else should be noted here.... The 10th edition indicates that the CD album Keep It Comin' (Elektra 61216) contains two versions of the song with respective run times of 4:09 and 5:21. What the book doesn't mention though is the 4:09 version is the LP version while the 5:16 version is a remix known as the "Smooth Version".
SWV - Use Your Heart ==> Album - 4:48. (Whitburn - 3:51)
From what I can tell via my research, commercial single copies contain the "Edit" version.
T-Boz - Touch Myself ==> Album - 4:09. (Whitburn - 3:54)
My research indicates the single version is also known as the "Main Mix".
Third Eye Blind - Semi-Charmed Life ==> Single version - 3:39*. Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 3:37)
Commercial single copies feature the "Clean Radio Edit".
Third Eye Blind - Jumper ==> Single version - 4:05. Album version - 4:31. (available on vinyl 45)
The single version is the "Radio Edit".
Timbaland and Magoo - The Clock Strikes ==> Single version - 3:43. Album version - 4:50.
I don't have the Timbaland and Magoo CD Welcome to Our World (Blackground/Atlantic 92772 and 92792) , but from what I can tell the 3:43 commercial single remix appears on this CD in addition to the album version running 4:50. The 10th edition does not note this.
Times Two - Strange but True ==> Single version - 3:59. Album version - 4:07. (available on vinyl 45)
TLC - Baby-Baby-Baby ==> Single - 4:17. Album - 5:14.
Good ol' Ed helped furnish information for these next three TLC commercial singles. His says his cassette single copy of "Baby-Baby-Baby" states "album radio edit".
TLC - What About Your Friends ==> Single - 4:05. Album - 4:53.
Commercial cassette single copies contain the "album radio edit (w/rap)".
TLC - Hat 2 Da Back ==> Single - 4:05. Album - 4:16.
The commercial single version is the "radio edit".
TLC - Get It Up ==> Album - 4:23. (Whitburn - 3:56)
Tony! Toni! Tone! - Feels Good ==> Single version - 4:33. Album version - 4:57. (available on vinyl 45)
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Third Eye Blind - Semi-Charmed Life The promo single has the same edits as the commercial version; however, the promo single is not "clean." On the commercial version, the words "crystal meth" are reversed, while they are not on the promo single.
Todd, you are correct about the Timbaland & Magoo CD. I own the edited version of the CD, and it does have the hit "remix" version (although the song wasn't a very big hit). I can't recall if there were lyrics edited on that song or not.
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Todd, I just timed my promo copy of GTR's "When The Heart Rules The Mind" and even though the label states a running time of (3:58), the actual running time is (4:02) on the short side of the dj copy.
Now when you say that you have obtained a copy of this 45 that runs 4:28, can I assume that is a commercial copy?
Just to keep Joel Whitburn honest, does anyone out there have a commercial 45 that states a running time of (3:58) and runs close to that time?
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my commercial 45 issued in 1986 on arista 9470 states the run time on the label as 4:27 and indeed does run 4:27
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There is a new cd on the market by TLC titled Now & Forever - The Hits. My question is in regards to the 4 TLC songs mentioned above as they appear on this cd - are any of these four the single versions as they appear on this cd? Here are the running times from Now & Forever:
Baby-Baby-Baby (3:57)
What About Your Friends (4:04)
Hat 2 Da Back (4:07)
Get It Up (4:14)
There is no notation on the cd packaging as to "radio edit" or "album radio edit".
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Aaron:
Thanks for pointing out the differences between the single version and radio edit of "Semi-Charmed Life". I never realized this!
Pat:
Even though Ed advised me of the TLC single version run times, I have not yet heard any of them myself so I'm unable at the moment to make a qualified comparison and judgment as to whether these single versions appear on TLC's Now & Forever - The Hits CD. The run times involved here though seem to suggest the disc may indeed at least contain the single versions of "What About Your Friends" and "Hat 2 Da Back". Meanwhile, the 3:57 run time of "Baby-Baby-Baby" on the Now and Forever CD is clearly shorter than the commercial single, so maybe someone can verify if the 3:57 is a DJ edit/length?
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Tony! Toni! Tone! - It Never Rains in Southern California ==> Single - 4:55. Album - 5:02. (available on vinyl 45)
Edtop40 informs me the single version/length appears on the group's Hits (Mercury 314536368) CD. We're not certain if the 4:55 single is an edit or an early fade of the 5:02 version/length on the CD The Revival (Wing 841902) because neither of us have this disc. Pat, maybe you can help us determine this since I presume you have both CDs.
Tony! Toni! Tone! - (Lay Your Head on My) Pillow ==> Album - 6:10 (Whitburn - 3:32) (available on vinyl 45)
Retail single copies are reported to state "Radio Edit" with a printed run time of 3:32.
Total featuring Da Brat - No One Else ==> Album - 4:20. (Whitburn - 4:28) (available on vinyl 45)
Evidently there was a standard two-track cassette single and a maxi-cassette single issued for this song. The two-track cassette, which Whitburn lists as the official commercial single release, contains the following tracks and stated run times: 1) Club Version (4:29); 2) Radio Edit (4:29). The maxi-cassette single is comprised of several remixes.
Total featuring Missy Elliott - Trippin' ==> Single - 4:13. Album - 4:26.
Ed reports his commercial CD copy contains: 1) PD Mix (Radio Edit) (4:13); 2) Missy Mix (Radio Edit) (4:15). The PD Mix is more specifically known as the "Puff Daddy Mix". According to my research, both versions also appear on the promo CD single release on Bad Boy 9180, so I'm assuming both versions received radio airplay.
Lidell Townsell & M.T.F. - Nu Nu ==> Single version - 5:02. Album version - 3:19.
Cassette single copies features the "Original Club Mix" (credit: Edtop40). I think the single version appears on the various artist CD Disco Nights Vol. 5 - Best of Housemusic (Rebound 314520246) but I'm not 100% certain.
Triumph - Somebody's Out There ==> Single length - 3:49. Album length - 4:04. (available on vinyl 45)
(credit: Edtop 40)
Tina Turner - I Don't Wanna Fight ==> Single - 4:25. Album - 6:05. (available on vinyl 45)
(credit: Edtop 40) I believe the commercial single is an edit and not an early fade of the album version/length. I imagine one of the good folks reading this knows the answer for sure and would be willing to confirm for us.
12 Gauge - Dunkie Butt (Please Please) ==> Album - 4:17. (Whitburn - 4:21)
I've done some digging on this one and retail single copies feature the "Radio Version" as the A-side/leadoff track with a printed run time of 4:18, while the B-side/Track 2 contains the "Album version" with a stated time of 4:24. That's all the information I have at this time.
Uncle Sam - I Don't Ever Want to See You Again ==> Single - 4:32*. Album - 5:42. (Whitburn - 4:32)
Commercial single copies feature the "Radio Edit" as the main track.
Urban Dance Squad - Deeper Shade of Soul ==> Single version - 4:02. Album version - 4:32. (available on vinyl 45)
U2 - Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses ==> Single version - 3:54. Album version - 5:13.
The A-side of the cassingle is called the "Temple Bar Edit". (credit: Edtop40)
Vanilla Ice - Play That Funky Music ==> Single version - 3:20. Album version - 4:43. (available on vinyl 45)
Commercial single copies feature the "remix" version. (credit: Edtop40)
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Regarding "It Never Rains In Southern California", the (5:02) appearance on the "Revival" cd is the LP length and the appearance on "Hits" which runs (4:55) is the 45 length as there is no edit just an early fade.
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Chris Isaak - Wicked Game ==> The cassette single (Reprise
19704-4) has a 3:59 edit (the intro, the guitar solo, and one of the
ending choruses are edited). The flip is an 4:44 instrumental version
(great for tone deaf singers like me, especially the falsetto parts!).
Uncle Sam - I Don't Ever Want To See You Again==> I can
confirm that the CD single radio edit is 4:34 and is the same mix as
the LP version.
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Regarding 12 Gauge - Dunkie Butt, I have the CD single, although not readily handy. I seem to recall the radio version and LP version having different vocal takes (and possibly different lyrics). I'll try to dig out my copy of the single, unless someone can verify in the meantime.
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Regarding "No One Else" by Total, this is an interesting song as I have obtained the 2 track cassette single which does indeed state "club version" (4:29) and "radio edit" (4:29). Both run (4:24) on my cassette player and the "club version" is the same as the LP version to my ears. The radio edit simply tries to cover up some of the foul language used by Da Brat on his rapping. Anyone else have any input on this single?
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No input on the single, but Da Brat is actually a girl. :) haha
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Thank you Pat, Paul, and Aaron for your latest input.
Alrighty, allow me to pass along several more single/album updates. These were all verified directly from my lovely girlfriend's cassette singles collection...
Da Brat - Sittin' on Top of the World ==> Single - 3:55. Album - 4:15.
The cassette single sleeve states "Radio Edit". I don't know if this really is an edit or just an early fade of the clean album version/length, nor do I know if the single version/length is the same as the one running 3:54 on the CD: Give It 2 You (Sony Music Custom Marketing Group 61923). The 10th edition does indicate the comment: (Part 2) next to the latter CD so I'm guessing this version probably isn't the same as the commercial single. And, yes, Da Brat really is a "she". :-)
Raphael Saadiq - Ask of You ==> Single - 4:19. Album - 6:00.
The cassette single sleeve states "Edit".
SWV - Use Your Heart ==> Single - 3:56. Album - 4:48.
The cassette single sleeve states "Edit".
Let us make way now for the latest entries:
Voices of Theory - Say It ==> Single - 3:55.* Album - 4:26. (Whitburn - 3:56)
Chris Walker - Take Time ==> Single with rap - 4:01. Single without rap - 3:41. Album - 4:19.
Commercial and DJ copies of this single contain the following tracks and actual run times: 1) 7" Version (4:01); 2) Without Rap (3:41). Both received radio airplay.
Warrant - Sometimes She Cries ==> Single version - 4:11. Album version - 4:41. (available on vinyl 45)
Warrant - Cherry Pie ==> Single version - 3:09. Album version - 3:20. (available on vinyl 45)
Warren G - I Shot the Sheriff ==> Album - 4:06. (Whitburn - 3:47)
Crystal Waters - 100% Pure Love ==> Single version - 3:06. Album version - 4:38.
The commercial single version is the "Radio Mix", which appears on the CD: Pulse (Razor & Tie 89041). The 10th edition of T40MOCD has the comment: (radio edit) next to that CD, but the comment could really be more accurately stated as: (single version) or (45 version).
Jody Watley - Don't You Want Me ==> Single version - 4:10. Album version - 4:10. (available on vinyl 45)
The single version is a remix and can be found on Watley's Greatest Hits (MCA 11400) CD. The 10th edition shows the song on this CD with the comment: (remixed), but should actually say: (45 version). (credit: Edtop40)
Jody Watley - Some Kind of Lover ==> Single version - 4:32. Album version - 4:06. (available on vinyl 45)
Again, the single version is a remix and can be found on Watley's Greatest Hits (MCA 11400) CD. The 10th edition shows the song on this CD with the comment: (remixed), but should actually say: (45 version). (credit: Edtop40)
Jody Watley with Eric B. & Rakim - Friends ==> Single version - 4:09. Album version - 4:28. (available on vinyl 45)
I had Ed check this one out for me. He says he thinks the single version is a remix.
West Coast Rap All-Stars - We're All in the Same Gang ==> Single version - 4:12. Album version - 7:24.
Commercial single copies feature the "Radio Special" version as the A-side/lead track.
My final set of entries for this message thread will be posted by this weekend. Stay tuned for the finale!
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Todd, is there a clean version of the Da Brat album Anuthatantrum? If there is I am not aware of it.
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Pat:
Come to think of it, I don't think there is. I double-checked my research and I don't see any evidence of a clean version of Da Brat's Anuthatantrum album ever having been released. That being said, we can update the single/album distinction as follows:
Da Brat - Sittin' on Top of the World ==> Single version - 3:55. Album version - 4:15.
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Actually, there is a clean version; however, it's called Anuthafunkdafiedtantrum. It's basically a compilation of clean versions from both her first and second albums. Additionally, there was an EP for Funkdafied which collected about a half dozen clean versions from that album only. I believe all of the tracks from the Funkdafied EP are included on Anuthafunkdafiedtantrum.
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Pat, I just timed the RR commercial copy of "When The Heart Rules The Mind" by GTR. The label states 4:27 but actually runs 4:10! What do all of you here suggest we show as an "official" time in the Pop Annual?
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Paul Haney wrote:
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Pat, I just timed the RR commercial copy of "When The Heart Rules The Mind" by GTR. The label states 4:27 but actually runs 4:10! What do all of you here suggest we show as an "official" time in the Pop Annual? |
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This is interesting because my mp3 copy of the "When the Heart Rules the Mind" vinyl 45 Edtop40 sent me actually runs 4:28. Meanwhile, Pat mentioned elsewhere in this thread that his DJ 45 copy runs 3:58 and 4:27. I've seen commercial copies with a printed time of 3:58, but have never gotten my hands on one to verify the actual time. Interestingly, Whitburn shows a time of 3:58 in his Pop Singles Annual 1955-2000 book!
This is the first I've heard a 45 pressing of "When the Heart..." running 4:10. Paul, could you tell us the catalog number and matrix number etched on the runout groove of Whitburn's 45 copy? And does the record label state anything to the effect of "long version" or "short version"? I'll try to find out all this information regarding Ed's copy and will report back with the data. It appears there could be as many as three different commercial 45 lengths for this song!
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Voices Of Theory - Say It--The CD single (H.O.L.A. 119-341-
032-8) is 4:00. I don't have the LP with which to compare it.
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