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Are the 45 version and LP version comments not showing up in the database for "Could It Be Magic"?
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What they're saying is the original LP version of "Could It Be Magic" was issued on the Manilow vinyl LP by Bell records with a run time of 7:15. (This lengthier version also appeared as the B-side of a promo 45 release.) Shortly after, the song was re-worked and released by Arista records on the Barry Manilow I vinyl LP in the more common LP version running 6:47. So I believe the question is whether this new information should warrant a general mention in the database?
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I think it warrants a mention in the description section of "Could It Be Magic". After all, the Bell LP is a US release. Also, this version may show up on CD someday. So I think this should all be pointed out succinctly in the intro/heading of CIBM.
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If my history is accurate, Barry Manilow first released his debut album under Bell records in 1973. After Clive Davis founded Arista records in late 1974, Bell folded shortly after and Davis acquired Manilow just as young artist's career had finally started to take off with his #1 smash "Mandy". No doubt, Davis saw the star power in his new protege and oversaw the remixing and re-release of Manilow's debut LP for stronger production value and commercial appeal.
So I would agree that a database mention is probably helpful here for the two different LP versions of "Could It Be Magic". We've seen a similar case like this with Eric Clapton's self-titled debut LP, which spawned different LP lengths on two separate labels for the Top 40 hit "After Midnight".
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| If my history is accurate, Barry Manilow first released his debut album under Bell records in 1973. After Clive Davis founded Arista records in late 1974, Bell folded shortly after and Davis acquired Manilow just as young artist's career had finally started to take off with his #1 smash "Mandy". No doubt, Davis saw the star power in his new protege and oversaw the remixing and re-release of Manilow's debut LP for stronger production value and commercial appeal. |
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Not quite the story. Davis didn't acquire Manilow just as Manilow's career starting taking off with his #1 smash, "Mandy". He FOUND "Mandy" for Manilow and told him he had to record it! So he actually kept on Manilow, Manchester and Bay City Rollers before any of them had chart hits. And he was President of Bell for a bit before he changed it over to Arista.
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I didn't realize Davis had also been the president of Bell records for a brief time before the label folded. Thanks for clearing this up, Gordon.
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Glad to see this thread..!
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Since the 45 version has only appeared on one domestic CD,
was there an import that featured the edit without the
tape glitch at :55 in?
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That's a great catch, John. My copy came from a cassette single reissue and did not have a glitch.
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Can the LP version be edited to match the 45?
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eriejwg wrote:
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No. The 45 was completely remixed.
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The one CD with the single mix/edit of Could It Be Magic does indeed have a glitch at 0:55, right during the transfer between verse 1 and chorus 1. I believe it's 'cause they spliced the tape there. I have the 45 and it has the same exact glitch, which would make sense if it's on the master tape, and is there because they literally spliced the tape between the verse section and chorus. (The 1st verse may come from the original mix, and chorus 1 may be where the mix radically changes.)
So I don't understand how a cassette single reissue wouldn't have the glitch. Did you listen closely under headphones? It's not really noticeable on speakers or the radio.
It's possible that they digitally removed the click, like I did from the CD, but I really doubt they'd go to that trouble.
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I will forward you what I have sometime tonight.
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Gordon, your custom edit removing the glitch sounds
fabulous. Too bad the record company didn't do the same.
The only video I could find of the 45 being played on
YouTube is from WABC77 and he has added compression to his
audio chain. But, you can hear some sort of glitch at :55
so, like you said, it's on the master tape.
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EdisonLite wrote:
So I don't understand how a cassette single reissue wouldn't have the glitch. Did you listen closely under headphones?
It's not really noticeable on speakers or the radio.
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I hear now what you mean. However, the glitch is much more pronounced on the Essential version. I could hear
that one without the headphones. It's a little smoother on my cassingle.
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BTW, the glitch you are referring to is the tape splice
where it switches from the LP mix to the 45 mix. The intro
and first verse are taken from the LP version. Then at :55
they spliced on the word "come" to the remixed portion
which is the rest of the 45.
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I thought I remembered that being the case, Mark. I'm glad you confirmed it.
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sriv94 wrote:
I hear now what you mean. However, the glitch is much more pronounced on the Essential version. I could hear
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Doug, I listened to your cassette version. Interesting. You're right. The splice is there, too. You can hear it. But there's no click after the "baby I love you", like there is on the "Essential" CD. At the time I got the "Essential" CD, I recall checking my 45 and hearing it had the same loud click. Your cassette, though edited at the same spot, sounds like a much smoother edit. The edit on the cassette just sounds like one of those things where he came back on another day and the vocal tone didn't match up on the next spot, whereas my 45, and the Essential CD, has a definite click in that spot. As Mark points out, this is where the LP mix gets spliced into the new 45 mix. So maybe there are 2 single master tapes at Sony (??) ... that only differ in this one spot. Seems hard to believe. But I can't understand why your cassette would sound so much better. I'm sure it was released before we had all this digital software to clean things. So if it was released long ago, the only conclusion I can come to is that maybe there are 2 master tapes. Even though I'm working on a potential Barry Manilow digital release with Sony right now, unfortunately I can't ask my contact to search for an alterate single mix.
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There may either be two masters, or Sony repaired one edit
for the Essential CD. The edit i'm talking about is at
1:56 on the piano hit starting at the beginning of the bar
before he sings "I could love you.". On the 45, you can
plainly hear an edit with a dropoff in volume at that
point, whereas it's a smooth, seamless transition on the
CD.
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Are you saying this is the case for your 45 and the single version on the Essential CD??
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