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I just wanted to point out that, for some strange reason, Gene Chandler's "Duke of Earl" is mastered from vinyl on his Greatest Hits CD on Collectables 5518.
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Not exactly "top of the charts" material, but for those who might be looking for the 1987 "classic" by Ron & The D.C. Crew called "Ronnie's Rap," the version on CD / mp3 on Amazon is from a vinyl source.
...Having said that, it's reasonable fidelity for a parody record, and where else are you going to find a copy of this song, digital or otherwise? :-)
If you're looking for the link, here it is.
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Just catching up now (4 years late) on the news that the beginning of "One Night In Bangkok" was sourced from vinyl on Just Can't Get Enough 14. You know, I always thought I heard a slight tempo change at the edit point. Has there been a consensus on the best-sounding non-vinyl-sourced version? Calling Ron...
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Ringmaster_D wrote:
Just catching up now (4 years late)
on the news that the beginning of "One Night In Bangkok"
was sourced from vinyl on Just Can't Get Enough 14.
You know, I always thought I heard a slight tempo change at
the edit point. Has there been a consensus on the best-
sounding non-vinyl-sourced version? Calling Ron... |
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As far as I know, all the CD versions of the 45 are digital
clones of the Rhino disc. It's a little dull-sounding, but
it's as good as you'll find. In my own library, I used a
cleaned-up needledrop of the 45 from Aaron.
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Many of the Ronnie Dove Diamond era tracks are sourced from Needledrop
sources. Re: Gene Chandler/Duke Of Earl. The Collectables is from vinyl due
to their using the Stereo version (who's masters are missing). The mono is
out there on CD from tape sources.
Edited by KentT on 11 December 2013 at 9:08am
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I have spent a lot of time combing two boxes of reel to reel tapes given to me by Ronnie Dove, and have thus far found only one tape that contains Diamond era recordings, but it's a 7.5 ips mono tape and at least one of the songs has different vocals than the released version. As soon as the DAT player I bought on ebay arrives I will dig into the DAT's I got from Ronnie, which supposedly contain dubs from the master tapes he once had, but which Collectables destroyed in the dubbing process (at least I will be able to tell from there if all Ronnie had was reel tapes of disc dubs...)
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if the version of ronnie mcdowell's song 'the king is gone'
on the super hits of the 70's vol 24 cd IS from vinyl it
must be a perfect copy, as i don't hear any vinyl evidence
during the ending which is nearly silent....i will say that
during the piano intro, i do here some anomalies which
could be from the mike he's using right before he
sings......this one is NOT as clear cut as all may
think....i'm not convinced it's a vinyl dub....
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Ringmaster_D wrote:
Just
catching up now (4 years late)
on the news that the beginning of "One Night In Bangkok"
was sourced from vinyl on Just Can't Get Enough
14.
You know, I always thought I heard a slight tempo change
at
the edit point. Has there been a consensus on the best-
sounding non-vinyl-sourced version? Calling Ron...
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As far as I know, all the CD versions of the 45 are
digital
clones of the Rhino disc. It's a little dull-sounding,
but
it's as good as you'll find. In my own library, I used
a
cleaned-up needledrop of the 45 from Aaron. |
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don't know the story on that, but perhaps a tape with
the 45 intro doesn't exist, and that's why the 45 was
used.
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Is the Michael Zager Band, "Let's All Chant", sourced from
vinyl? Sure sounds like it, especially on the intro.
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As many on the board know, anything that was on Private Stock records needs an "extra listen" to determine the source. Frankie Valli of
course owns his own masters. Others apparently were lost. I read somewhere that Jai Uttal might have the rights to some of the catalog (that
weren't leases) but he doesn't have any tapes. Maybe someone else knows for sure.
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In the early 80s, Larry Uttal's son stopped paying storage facility fees for the warehouse where all the Private Stock master tapes were stored, so the facility trashed the masters. His son (I guess from your post, his name must be Jai?) couldn't see, in the early '80s, there'd ever be a need or want for any of those tapes. Had he waited a couple more years and seen that the CD format came along, he probably would have realized their value. So only people who owned their master tapes and licensed them to Private Stock (or bought them back) have master tapes. Besides Valli, I believe Barry Gibb owns the tapes for Samantha Sang's "Emotion" album. David Soul was licensed from UK.
It appears Starbuck's "Moonlight Feels Right" was gotten off some tape for Rhino's "Have a Nice Day" series by Bill Inglot (the theory is he found some K-Tel album type tape source and used it. If someone knows Bill, it would be interesting to see what he remembers of that.) And according to Mark Mathews, it's indeed a tape source (yet every CD with "Everybody Be Dancin'" and "I Got To Know" a clean disc dubs.)
Since Austin Roberts' "Rocky" got to #22 in the UK, I'm hoping someone there unearths a tape copy and puts that on a compilation. That was a big enough hit there. And I presume a tape was sent over to the UK for the release. If so, it's doubtful that both the UK storage facility and the US storage facility suffered the same fate. But you never know. (It came out on Private Stock UK).
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The following original labels have no source tapes available for reissue, either due to legal issues, bankruptcies, or the death of the principal who owned them. Windsong, John Denver's label for which Starland Vocal Band recorded, while owned by Denver's estate, is tied up in litigation over which of his heirs have control over Windsong's properties. Sussex, Chelsea and Private Stock still own the rights to their recordings but lost the source tapes in bankruptcies. Those in possession of the source tapes are unwilling to allow their use to generate profit for the rights owners, and who they actually are remains a mystery. Many of Private Stock's hits were licensed from foreign sources. Samantha Sang, Michael Zager Band, Frankie Valli, and a few other Private Stock artists' recordings were licensed from outside sources, so original non-Private Stock source tapes exist for those recordings. Wes Farrell licensed "Sky High" by Jigsaw from the UK label named Splash that owned it.
Blame Lou Adler for The Mamas & the Papas missing tapes. Adler mixed the singles FIRST. Albums were mixed to stereo, then folded to mono for mono pressings. The exception was with FAREWELL TO THE FIRST GOLDEN ERA, a hits compilation. Stereo pressings contained the stereo album mixes, however mono pressings contained the single mixes of three songs, as the single masters were spliced into the mono album reels so that the single versions would appear on the mono album. Those three songs are "I Saw Her Again," "Words of Love," and "Creeque Alley," all of which contain instrumentation not heard on the parent stereo or mono albums on which the songs appeared. When ABC obtained the Dot Records catalog, something had to go to make way for Dot, so ABC junked its multitrack session tapes and mono album masters, figuring they'd never need them again, and with the purge went the single mixes of those three Mamas & Papas tracks. Lou Adler did a similar thing with Scott McKenzie's "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)." Some Ode 45s have an echoed and compressed tympani pounding during the bridge, which the "hit" version does not have, nor does the stereo album mix.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| I just wanted to point out that, for some strange reason, Gene Chandler's "Duke of Earl" is mastered from vinyl on his Greatest Hits CD on Collectables 5518. |
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The 2-track master for "Duke of Earl" disappeared almost as soon as the stereo LP was pressed. Subsequent pressings claim to be stereo on the covers, but the records play in mono.
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Tom Daly wrote:
Blame Lou Adler for The Mamas & the Papas
missing tapes. Adler mixed the singles FIRST. Albums were mixed to
stereo, then folded to mono for mono pressings. The exception was
with FAREWELL TO THE FIRST GOLDEN ERA, a hits compilation.
Stereo pressings contained the stereo album mixes, however mono
pressings contained the single mixes of three songs, as the single
masters were spliced into the mono album reels so that the single
versions would appear on the mono album. Those three songs are "I
Saw Her Again," "Words of Love," and "Creeque Alley," all of which
contain instrumentation not heard on the parent stereo or mono albums
on which the songs appeared. When ABC obtained the Dot Records
catalog, something had to go to make way for Dot, so ABC junked its
multitrack session tapes and mono album masters, figuring they'd
never need them again, and with the purge went the single mixes of
those three Mamas & Papas tracks. Lou Adler did a similar thing with
Scott McKenzie's "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your
Hair)." Some Ode 45s have an echoed and compressed tympani
pounding during the bridge, which the "hit" version does not have, nor
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Actually, the long standing rumor is that the head of ABC, Jay Lasker,
junked ALL the mono tapes for Dunhill and ABC. Also, that's not true
about the Mamas & Papas mono LPs being fold-downs of the stereo
mixes. Just about all of those M&P mono mixes are dedicated (to the
one I love) mixes.
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