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Don't know if this ever came up before, but on the Return to the Valley of the Go-Go's CD, it says (single mix) on this track. I just compared it to the version on the Beauty and the Beat CD 44797 5021 2, and i'm not sure if my ears are trying to find a difference, but I found that the "return" version seems a lot fuller and bass heavy while the "beauty" version is less muddy and clearer (personally, the fuller version sounds more like what I remember hearing for years). Perhaps it's the difference in mastering and volume levels and not a 'mix' difference at all. Not sure.
Also of note, my copy of Beauty and the Beat is actually defective in that it cuts off the very first beat of Our Lips are Sealed. Does anyone else have this CD who could tell me if that was a mastering error or if I have a defective CD (no worries, because I have the song on dozens of other comps, just curious). Thanks.
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My copy of Beauty & The Beat also has that truncated
first beat on "Our Lips Are Sealed". I asked about it on
another forum years ago and most responses indicated that
their CD did not have the problem. So it appears that
the mastering error was corrected at some point.
With regard to "We Got The Beat", the single mix vs. LP
mix is something I have been meaning to investigate over
the years but never got around to it. I didn't recall
any noticeable mix differences between my 45 and the LP
(both of which I bought in 1982) and was confused when
some Go-Go's comps began referring to a single mix.
Sometimes it can be very difficult to distinguish between
a punchier mix vs. big mastering differences (e.g.
compression and eq). I'll try to give these a comparison
one of these days and see if I can determine if there is
a true mix difference.
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There were two recordings of "We Got The Beat". The first was issued in the UK on Stiff records and the second a year later for the IRS release Beauty And The Beat.
The second version was the US single release and, if I'm not mistaken, the description "(Single Mix)" was used on Return To The Valley Of The Go-Go's to differentiate between the two recordings.
The CD Single for "The Whole World Lost Its Head" (from 'Valley') contains the first version of WGTB with no description beyond the title.
So, according to the Return To The Valley Of The Go-Go's era:
- "We Got The Beat" = UK Stiff single version
- "We Got The Beat (Single Mix)" = IRS Beauty And The Beat version (US single)
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To Underground Dub:
There were two different mixes of the IRS verion (in addition to the Stiff-label version).
I'm just not 100% sure if the original IRS mix was ever released commercially.
When "Our Lips Are Sealed" was issued as the first IRS single from 'Beauty & The Beat' a promo 12" was issued (SP 70956) to AOR & Dance Clubs with two tracks on the B-side ("Tonite" & "We Got The Beat").
"We Got The Beat" here has more bass, less reverb on the snare, no one-note keyboard after the first chorus, & is six-seconds longer than the subsequent single mix that came out later. My vinyl pressing of 'Beauty & The Beat' has the single mix, but it's not necessarily the first pressing of the vinyl (so I don't know if the newer mix was swapped at some point).
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Thanks Andy, had no idea about a third mix/version. :)
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ah. so the two versions I have could very well be different mixes. I'll have to listen more closely now with the details Andy outlined. I happened to notice on amazon that in one person's review for the version of Beauty and the Beat that I have, aside from mentioning the issues with Our Lips are Sealed, the reviewer states that We Got the Beat is shorter than the version he used to have on his vinyl LP...
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Hi
i can add my memory to this as well, i never bought it at the time, but assumed the import IRS 12" single must have been what i heard on WLIR on Long Island at the time.
I noticed minor differences in the overall sound, but what jumped out at me was at the break around 1:50 when she sings "everybody get on your feet, we know you can dance to the beat"....
in the common version there are handclaps. In the one i heard on WLIR, there was jst the hard snare hit, NO handclaps. That was the version i never found a copy of.
I asked at the time, and was told they played the 12" version. Hopefully someone can locate a IRS 12" and confirm that someday.
As for the U.S. 45 and LP, i could never notice any mixing difference.
-MM
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hm...i wonder if the versions on ALL the compilations in the database are all the same mix.
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But the US 45-rpm disc had an edit at :40 during the instrumental break, did it not?
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This is an intriguing thread!
I have the song on 11 different CDs, and all seem to be based on just a few different analog transfers.
There's a bunch that use the same analog transfer as Warner Special Products' Night Beat (1988). (Note: This may be based on the Beauty And The Beat CD mastering, but I don't have that to compare.)
These include:- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s
- JCI's Only Dance 1980-1984
- JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll #1 Radio Hits 1980-1984
Then there's a bunch that use the same transfer as I.R.S.'s Go-Go's Greatest (1990):- the promo set The A List
- Cema/Big Ear Music's Only In The 80's Vol. 1
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 25 Rolling Stone 1980-1981
- Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 4
- Time-Life's Modern Rock Vol. 5 Dance
All sounds like the same mix to me. Slightly different EQ, perhaps, but the same mix, and the only mix I've ever heard on the air or on record.
Oh, the same mix also appears on Priority's Eighties Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 2.
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Jody Thornton wrote:
But the US 45-rpm disc had an edit
at :40 during the instrumental break, did it not?
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No. The LP is the same as the hit 45. I have both and
compared them.
All they are saying on that CD comp is that there was
once an earlier version before it was recorded for I.R.S.
Records and became a hit single. That they do this only
confuses people.
Edited by The Hits Man on 31 March 2011 at 12:44am
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So is the edit that I describe on a promo? I definitely know it exists.
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Here we go - I guessed at :40 but it's :45 seconds. Take a listen for the splice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqqb71gEAbY&feature=related
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To Jody Thornton:
The version on YouTube IS the single version/mix.
The earlier promo version/mix I referenced has the missing six seconds [label time 2:36].
I don't believe the single MIX was ever issued WITH the extra six seconds [label time 2:30].
Andy
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Finally got to sort this one out.
First, it was recorded for a UK Stiff Records 45 in 1980. It's really obvious that it's a completely different recording. Then, it was rerecorded from scratch for I.R.S.
The first pressings of the Beauty And The Beat vinyl LP had this original I.R.S. mix on it, which Andrew correctly described above as having more bass, less reverb on the snare, no one-note keyboard after the first chorus, and is six seconds longer than the subsequent single mix that came out later.
The six second difference is after the first chorus and before the second verse - it's just extra repetitions of the guitar line. That's how it was originally arranged on the Stiff version, and they carried it over to the I.R.S. recording.
After "Our Lips Are Sealed" had run its course, I.R.S. tweaked "We Got The Beat" for the 45, bringing Belinda's vocals a little more clearly in front, adding keyboards and a few handclaps, and taking out six seconds to get into the second verse more quickly. All were very good decisions, in my opinion. Mind you, the two mixes sound very similar, to the point where even after hearing the song for 30 years, I couldn't tell one from the other until I got to the second verse.
This remix made it onto the 45, made it onto later pressings of the LP, and made it onto all the CD versions of the song that I know of. The original mix is lost to history, much like a few of Michael Jackson's tracks from Off The Wall.
I verified all this myself at a local record store (yay, Cheapo!) They had four copies of the Beauty And The Beat LP, three of which had the original mix - that's good news if you're looking for the original mix. The fourth had a "2" in the matrix number - something like "M2" at the end of the matrix number. The others didn't have the M2. I bought one of the nice condition original pressings (it still had the plastic and the contains the single "Our Lips Are Sealed" sticker on it), but I just moved into a new house, and it will be a significant amount of time before I can get back to dubbing vinyl.
If you want to check your copy of Beauty And The Beat, it's easiest to let it play into the second verse - if it gets there when you expect it, it's a later pressing that has the 45 remix. If it sounds like it's taking too long to get to the second verse, that's an original pressing with the original LP mix. The artwork, including the labels, are the same for both. All your CDs have the 45 remix.
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I found a YouTubey for the original mix. I would have just thought of this as the LP version (not ever knowing that they switched to the single remix for the latter part of the LPs chart run). I remembered it sounding "thinner" than the single, but I assume that the instrumentation and vocal take (other than the repeated piano between the verses) is the same, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq4Y47esGjY&feature=related
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Just updating the list. All are the common 45 mix.
The first place it appeared on CD was I.R.S.'s Beauty And The Beat (1981; not sure when CD was actually released). There's a differently EQ'd digital clone on Greatest (1990), and a few that use the same analog transfer as both of these:- Priority's Eighties Greatest Rock Hits Vol. 2 Leather And Lace (1992; a little loud and clips a lot)
- Swaitek's 50-CD promo The A List Disc 12 (1994)
- Big Ear Music's Only In The '80s Vol. 1 (1995)
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 25 Rolling Stone 1980-1981 (1995)
- Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 4 (1997; digitally identical to Greatest)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 5 Dance (1999; differently EQ'd digital clone of Sounds Of Eighties)
I think the same analog transfer may have been used for Warner Special Products' 2-CD Night Beat (1988), because the two track so closely, but the EQ is different enough that I can't really tell. There are some that use the same analog transfer as Night Beat and sound extremely close to Night Beat:- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994)
- JCI's Only Dance 1980-1984 (1995)
- JCI's Only Rock 'N Roll #1 Radio Hits 1980-1984 (1996)
All of the above sound pretty good, all with very nice dynamic range and no extra compression. (The Priority disc is too loud, though.) Any variations in sound quality is basically EQ, and there is a wide variety of EQ setting for these discs. The only other analog transfer I could find is on Return To The Valley Of The Go-Go's, which sounds surprisingly good - no extra compression or any weird EQ.
Overall, if I had to recommend one, I'd pick Greatest (1990), because it has a better EQ than Beauty And The Beat.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 12 August 2013 at 8:29pm
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Having just been sent this original I.R.S. mix, and refamiliarizing with this
almost 8-year-old thread, I ask, is this the 12" that featured that mix?
https://www.discogs.com/Go-Gos-We-Got-The-Beat/release/73491 0
I ask, because the timing on it is of the shorter, remixed LP and 45 (more
confusion). It shows as having been issued in 1981, which would make sense.
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No, this is the one with the original mix:
https://www.discogs.com/Go-Gos-Our-Lips-Are-
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Thanks Aaron! Didn't know to look for it being on the b-side to "Out Lips Are
Sealed"...
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