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Pat Downey
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Posted: 16 May 2009 at 7:54pm \| IP Logged

My "extended version" on PRCD 3171 has the acapella intro.

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Posted: 02 June 2009 at 9:20pm \| IP Logged

jimct wrote:

The 3 of us involved with music at the station listed to both tracks on PRCD 3386 repeatedly, aware of the possible "situation." None of us could make out the "f" word at all, for either track 1 or 2.

Jim, it makes sense why you couldn't make out the "f" word. Your copy of PRCD 3386 contains the clean lyrics!

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Posted: 22 June 2010 at 6:39pm \| IP Logged

i have an import cd single issued as atlantic 7567-86178-2 a7908 cd with the below listed tracks, listed and actual run times

1-seven inch edit (listed 4:24; actual 4:21)
2-extended version (listed 5:17; actual 5:13)
3-radio version with intro (listed 5:07; actual 5:06)

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Posted: 01 July 2010 at 10:26pm \| IP Logged

edtop40 wrote:

the cassingle version and these cd versions are the same till the break at the 3:54 mark....then the cassingle goes into a non vocal loop while the full cd version has the vocals over it......the cassingle picks up the vocal again at the 4:14 mark...my cassingle has the clean fade out "he'll want to have you all the time"........the only place i know to have the correct cassingle version is the german import cd single issued as atlantic 7567-86178.....the third track labelled as "radio version with intro" which runs 5:07 on the cd single is the same version but the cassingle version fades out to 5:03 while this cd single version runs to 5:07....hope this helps

I thought I had chimed in on this before, but I guess I didn't. Judging from Ed's description above, the US cassingle version can be found on the old US BackTrax CD single, coupled with "Lies," on Atlantic UPC code 075678488726. Though I'm timing it to 5:06, not 5:07.

And it would not surprise me if the last couple seconds are just not audible through the hiss on the cassette single. I have to turn the volume WAY up to hear it even on the CD single.

Edited by Brian W. on 01 July 2010 at 10:33pm

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Posted: 30 December 2011 at 11:19pm \| IP Logged

Pat:

I want to bring to your attention that the database currently shows the following general comment for En Vogue's "Hold On":

(dj copies of this cd single run (4:15) the )

This looks like another one of those glitches where the comment got cut off because quotation marks are present. In addition to the DJ CD single info, the comment should also note that cassette single copies run 5:03 and commercial 45 copies run 5:06 (both were documented elsewhere in this thread).

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aaronk wrote:

Well, I was hoping to obtain one of the explicit versions of the promo single, but it looks like I have one of the
clean ones.

I have just obtained PRCD 3171-2. The matrix number is 3 PR 3171-2 RE-1. I just checked and all three versions have the line
"he'll want to have you."

I've been trying to track down the explicit version myself for awhile now, and apparently, the RE-1 designation is what makes the
difference. It's noted on the Discogs page for the Promo CD Single 3171-2 that there are two different versions of the promo, same
catalog no. and same tracks, with the only difference being that copies that have RE-1 in the matrix are the clean versions. So if
you're looking for the explicit promo and see it for sale somewhere, be sure to ask the seller whether or not it has "RE-1" in the
matrix. If it doesn't, it should be the explicit version.

Somewhere in a storage box, I have the Cassette Single of "Hold On". I'm going to try to find it and see if it has the explicit
version and the non-vocal loop that was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Edited by thecdguy on 01 February 2020 at 6:19am

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Posted: 01 February 2020 at 7:57am \| IP Logged

Dan, I was the one who posted the note on Discogs, based on information provided here by Pat Downey. I have never seen a promo CD without an RE-1 in the matrix, but I'll keep looking.

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Posted: 01 February 2020 at 8:23am \| IP Logged

Thanks for that information, Aaron.

Is it possible a similar situation exists with the 2-track 3386-2 promo? The fifth post in the thread mentions that both tracks have the
explicit version, then later jimct mentions that he listened to the same promo and didn't hear the explicit word at all.

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Posted: 01 February 2020 at 2:04pm \| IP Logged

At this point, I'm not sure if Pat is simply mis-hearing the lyrics on his promo or if there really are copies of the CD without the RE-1. I do know that when I had the cassette single that line was very clearly the "f" word. I'm guessing it was a very early pressing, possibly even before the song was a hit. I got the tape from a radio station where I worked, and although it wasn't a promo cassette, it's possible they were sent to radio as a way 1) to promote the song, knowing radio would never play it from cassette, and 2) to get rid of the first pressings that they didn't want going to retail with the uncensored lyrics. This is totally conjecture on my part, but I suppose it's possible.

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Posted: 03 February 2020 at 3:25pm \| IP Logged

I forwarded a copy of Hold On found on the dj cd single Atlantic PRCD 3171 to Aaron and even though I still hear the F bomb he hears the word "have" and not the F bomb so since the majority hear the censored version, I guess I will have to change my story and say the promo cd singles are all censored.

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Posted: 23 August 2020 at 12:13am \| IP Logged

So no versions exist on CD that have the f curse as Aaron remembered? Dan, did the cassette you have contain the f curse and the loop?

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Posted: 23 August 2020 at 6:09am \| IP Logged

PopArchivist wrote:

So no versions exist on CD that have the f curse as Aaron remembered? Dan, did the cassette you have contain the f curse and the loop?

I haven't located it yet. I think it's probably in the one, huge storage box in my closet that I haven't checked yet that has a few hundred Cassette Singles/Maxi-
Singles. I have to go to work in a little while, but I will make sure to check for it either later tonight or sometime tomorrow and report back.

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Posted: 26 August 2020 at 5:24pm \| IP Logged

OK, I finally dug out my Cassette Single copy of "Hold On" and I can confirm what Ed wrote almost 14 years ago to the day. My copy, like Ed's, has the vocal loop and the line, "He'll Want
To Have You".

On a side note: To me, the word "have" is sung in such a way that if you weren't paying full attention while you were listening, it might sound like she's saying, "He'll want to F
You" (just the letter F, not the actual 4 letter word).

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Posted: 09 October 2021 at 5:57pm \| IP Logged

Does anyone recall this being played on Top 40 radio back in the day?
Did they actually play the full acapella intro?

I seem to recall my local CHR started with the beat after Yooouuuu
but perhaps that was just a regional edit.

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Posted: 12 October 2021 at 6:13pm \| IP Logged

jebsib wrote:

I don't recall hearing an acapella intro.

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jebsib wrote:

I seem to recall a local urban station playing the full acapella intro. I also seem to recall that the local Top 40 station played the edit starting with
the beat after the long "Youuuuuu....".

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Posted: 26 October 2021 at 9:12am \| IP Logged

The "Radio Edit" on PRCD 3386 does not have any part of the acapella intro. It opens with an instrumental intro. Cut 2 on this same disc, the "Edited Version," starts on the "yooouuuuuu" of the acapella intro.

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Posted: 27 October 2021 at 6:17am \| IP Logged

Quote:

The "Radio Edit" on PRCD 3386 does not have any part of the acapella intro. It opens with an instrumental intro.

That's the one I was referring to. It's all I ever heard on Top 40 radio at the time.

To add to the confusion of this song, there is another edit on the "New Jack Swing Gold" VA compilation that runs just under 4 minutes. No acapella
intro at all and it opens cold with a slightly different intro than the "Radio Edit" Aaron described. No idea where this edit originated, or if it was
previously released or had any airplay anywhere.

Edited by thecdguy on 27 October 2021 at 6:19am

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Posted: 27 October 2021 at 8:53am \| IP Logged

Thanks all - interesting all the variations heard in different locations / formats

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