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Brian, there is also a US 12" with a "short version" and printed time of 4:10. Since Roscoe says he found the correct version on a 12" single, I'm wondering if the 4:10 is just a misprint.
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As for the location of the master tape for the original
45, just a reminder for a scenario i've witnessed over
and over again.
If you have the 45, take a look at the label and see who
MFG and/or distributed it. I don't recall for this Tabu
release but i think it was CBS. A common occurence is
the 45 master is still tucked away in a CBS---> now
Sony/BMG vault.
I'm pretty sure if someone went looking, armed with the
matrix# from the single, they would find it there.
Every case is different. But that would be the first
place i would look. But at this late date i really don't
see this happening.
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Does the US 45-rpm disc have that elongated "Take your tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime" as it enters an instrumental bridge? Maybe that's on my LP, but I can't remember.
I would like to hear the US 45-rpm disc if possible.
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jody....i'm sending you the vinyl 45 now along with the re-
creation i got awhile ago.......lmk when you get it...
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Jody Thornton wrote:
Does the US 45-rpm disc have that
elongated "Take your tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime" as it enters an instrumental
bridge? Maybe that's on my LP, but I can't remember.
I would like to hear the US 45-rpm disc if possible.
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No, that vocal is on the long version but not the US 45.
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11 years + of posts, including many by our most distinguished, seasoned
experts, and I believe I finally have some answers to the *one* big 80's hit
that has continued to confound us here on the Board, since its inception,
and had been truly unique in its ability to successfully elude me, for
decades, on a U.S. promo 45.
Well, no longer. I have *finally* found one. And I have additionally picked
up a promo 12" single, with added insights gleaned from it. Aaron has
just finished reviewing two of the four total versions. The third one is the
same as the stock 45, and the fourth, a listed (7:47), actual (7:48) promo
12" "long version", still awaits further analysis. So here goes, complete
with Aaron's analysis/findings:
Now I know why that (3:15) version always sounded "right" to me: Because
it was the one I played frequently on-air as a current. A listed & actual
(3:15) length is included as the "short version" of my Tabu 5522 promo
45. (Deadwax "ZS9-5522-3AD"). Aaron has confirmed that it matches the
(3:15) version found on the "Greatest Hits" CD. This same mix also
appears on the "Billboard Top Hits 1980" and "Disco Years, Vol. 5", V/A
CDs, but they both fade out approx. :15 seconds later than the (3:15)
promo 45 does, at around (3:30).
The "long version" of my promo 45 is the same listed & actual (3:51)
version that appears on all U.S. stock 45s. (Deadwax "ZS9-5522-5AD").
Now to my promo 12" single. Mine (Tabu 758) has a white label, but a
Tabu 5523 black label "Dance Music" promo 12" also exists. (Both 12"ers
include the exact same contents.) The "short version" has a listed (4:10),
actual (4:09) version. (Deadwax "XSS-167326-1D"). Aaron has confirmed
two things here: 1) That this version is the same as the (3:51) stock/DJ 45
long v, except that it continues on for another :18 seconds, and, 2) That
this specific length version has yet to appear anywhere on a domestic CD.
Aaron's summary:
-US 45 mix appears in lengths of (3:51) (45) and (4:09) (12"), differing
only by a longer fadeout.
-US promo 45 mix appears on CD in lengths of (3:15) (DJ 45) and (3:30)
(although there has never been an "official" (3:30) 1980 release), again
differing only by a longer fadeout.
-The main way to spot these two mixes easily is the presence or absence
of "clinking glasses" in different places throughout the song. For instance,
on the intro of the US 45 mix, you hear what sounds like someone tapping
a fork against a Coca-Cola bottle. This can also be heard on the long LP
version, although the album version has other differences, too. This "glass
clinking" sound is completely absent from the short, (3:15) promo 45 mix.
Also important to note is that neither of the 45 mixes contains the "Let's
Do It" chant that is found on the LP version.
The "long version" side of my promo 12" has a listed time of (7:47) and an
actual time of (7:48). (Deadwax "XSS -167325-1D"). Pat currently shows 4
CDs as including the"LP Version", with run times between (7:35) and
(7:40). I am going to shoot out the (7:48) promo 12" long version to Pat,
to see if it could be a possible match for the longest current version in his
db, a (7:46) "remix" found on the Club Epic V/A CD.
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Yes Jim, the Club Epic cd is the long 12" single version.
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The EU box release, The Tabu Anthology, (2014 Tabu/Demon
TABUBOX0003) has the US commercial version (3:51). This box also has
eight of the band's LPs, an extra disc of 7" mixes and a disc of 12" mixes. I
matched the single version listed on the box with my US commercial version,
and they match!
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PaulEschen wrote:
The EU box release, The Tabu
Anthology, (2014 Tabu/Demon
TABUBOX0003) has the US commercial version (3:51). This
box also has
eight of the band's LPs, an extra disc of 7" mixes and a
disc of 12" mixes. I
matched the single version listed on the box with my US
commercial version,
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I believe Aaron determined that was a 45 dub. Unless
they found a tape between the pre-release download of the
"Take Your Time" single and the release of the box set.
But the downloads were the kickoff to the remaster
campaign.
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I suspect that this single version's master tapes are on
a 45 RPM job reel spliced in with the releases near it.
Most record companies had their single masters spliced
on a large phono reel for ease of mastering and storage.
So, if someone at Sony can come up with some master
numbers around the Tabu single, maybe that job reel can
be located.
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Did we ever determine what the difference is between the LP version and the 12" single version?
Is it just the length of the fade?
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Ron, to answer your nearly two-year old question, yes. The 12" single has a slightly longer fade compared to the LP version. That's the only difference I hear.
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I never had the 45, but I know there's a "Part 2" on the B-Side. I've never actually heard it, but I was just wondering how it sounds. Is it more of the same vocals, more of an instrumental, any differences in the mix, etc.?
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Morning, y'all. I was up and decided to do some digging on this one, since I had never heard the elusive "Part 2" either. I found what would appear to be a true 45 rip on YouTube. It's definitely not fully instrumental, but I'm not well-versed enough with the 12" version to know whether this version could be extracted from it. (The YouTube clip has leading silence of about a minute for some reason.)
FYI, "Part 2" is available on CD here, but buyer beware, these reissues were besieged with complaints of dodgy vinyl rips for bonus tracks when they were first released. Don't know if this is one of the tracks that was complained about or not.
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KentT wrote:
I suspect that this single version's
master tapes are on
a 45 RPM job reel spliced in with the releases near it.
Most record companies had their single masters spliced
on a large phono reel for ease of mastering and storage.
So, if someone at Sony can come up with some master
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Wow, can't believe I didn't post here back in 2016 when
we released our first 80s music volume. I re-read the
thread to see what was the difference between the 12"
single and LP versions. Now I know.
As for the single master, Tabu never had it! My original
theory was totally correct (I been doing this for a LONG
time...).
We contacted SONY in 2016, gave them the matrix# for the
45 and they indeed pulled it from the vaults and
supplied us with a perfect transfer. So if anyone missed
it, you can go to our Eric Records website and locate
the CD. Hard To Find 45s on CD Volume 15.
Happy listening.
And thanks to those above for finally clearing up the
12" vs. LP version mystery for me.
MM
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By the way, just some info about rights-owners vs. major
label distributors. When a label is no longer with a
national distributor - in this case, TABU and CBS, when
the smaller label is no longer under contract with the
major, they can request ALL of their master recordings
to date. In MOST cases, the major or distributor will
hand over all the LP masters.
They hardly EVER hand over the SINGLE masters and most
rights owners don't think to ASK. If they had
specifically asked for their single masters by matrix
numbers, they would have had ALL the versions for which
they own the rights.
We've seen this at least half a dozen times. The folks
who grant us the license are NOT in possession of the 45
master tapes! So we have approached the original
distributor (Sony, EMI, or Warner...etc) and sure enough
we got a copy of the correct U.S. single.
It is unfortunate that most rights-owners do not think
to do this. And it's unfortunate that a lot of CD
reissue producers do not think to do what we did - go to
the original source for the version you want! They WILL
copy tapes for you even if they no longer own the
rights.
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If I understand this correctly, the 3:30 version that
appears on the Billboard 1980 disc is not known to have
ever appeared on vinyl? The reason I ask is
because when listening to the song on that disc, I hear
what sounds to be a vinyl-type click at about the :50-:51
second mark on the word "It" in the line,
"It seems we never take the time to do all the things we
want to". Because of that, I always thought the version
on there came from vinyl.
I also have a version on a TM Century disc that runs
around 3:30, and it does NOT have the click in the same
point in the song.
Edited by thecdguy on 27 January 2021 at 6:40am
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Dan, the Billboard disc has the same mix as the US promo 45 "Short Version," but it runs about 15 seconds longer on the CD. I'm positive the CD is not a vinyl transfer, though. TM Century most certainly used the Billboard CD as their source, but they often used de-clicking and noise reduction on other CD copies that didn't necessarily need to be cleaned up.
Edited by aaronk on 27 January 2021 at 7:15am
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thecdguy wrote:
If I understand this correctly, the
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It *might* be on the K-Tel "Full Tilt" compilation
album. That's how I first discovered this song when I
was a kid, and I distinctly remember it missing some
of the elements from the versions that I heard later
when I started buying CD compilations and 12" singles.
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Full-
Tilt/release/2203881
Unfortunately, there are no track times listed here.
I might still have the Full Tilt LP in storage though.
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For the sake of completeness, for the 2-CD set Disco Fever (Razor & Tie 22496, 1991), the database should read "LP and 12 inch single version faded from 3:47 to 3:57", rather than "edit of the LP version in an unsuccessful attempt at recreating the 45 version".
This may be the least useful piece of data in this entire thread.
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