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I think it'll do for now, Aaron. It's just unfortunate how the early '90s, in particular, are such a headache for collecting Top 40 music due to how many hits were released on as many as six(!) commercial single formats (vinyl 45, cassette single, maxi-cassette single, CD single, maxi-CD single, and 12" single), in addition to an album release, and record labels were clearly unconcerned with any sense of version uniformity. Contrast that to how just a few years previously, up until 1987, singles were all released on just one format, the vinyl 45 (or two at the most if there was a 12" single counterpart). But, hey, it is what it is, and we'll get it all figured out. Fortunately, things have come back around full circle, and if there's one thing to be thankful about Top 40 music in more modern times, it's the fact that most songs are now only made available in one "definitive" version due to the sharp decline in album releases, radio edits, and remixes in general!
Anyway, I'm going to hold off on further commenting on messy cases like "Baby Baby" until we have the new database design in place. Once I see the new platform in action, then I may have different thoughts and opinions on how we could possibly address these multi-format-multi-version releases going forward.
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Sounds good, Todd. Yes, the '90s can be tricky to sort out, but I think the labels were purposely avoiding uniformity. That way, we would buy the same song on multiple formats, over and over again! In other cases, the labels purposely didn't release any single configurations to entice us into buying the whole album.
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I absoutely agree with you here. If we can keep the database CDs labeled in a way that is simple and easy to understand, I'm all in. I don't know exactly what that should look like, and I'm open to suggestions. For the time being, using the actual version names in recent updates (Taylor Dayne, Expose, Amy Grant) is at least enough information to ID what's on those discs.
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In Australia, the "hit version" was this edit of the No Getting Over You remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxG8GAdIlCE
I heard this edit (with a short instrumental intro) on Mix 106.3 a few years
ago, and it appears to have been used on the commercial 45/MC/CD
releases here.
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Thanks for your feedback on the "Damnit, you're mine" lyric.
It's funny that there are so many different interpretations
of what she is singing and nothing definitive online to
clarify this! I recall the "controversy" when this album
was released - a Christian singer recording secular music.
There was even a feature story about this on "NBC Nightly
News" then when the "Every Heartbeat" video was released
with a woman - gasp! - unbuttoning her top...even though she
was wearing another full layer underneath.
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aaronk wrote:
That's why in this case I think it's probably best to stick
with what the database (and book) has shown since the
beginning: no designation in cases where the "official
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Aaron, I agree wholeheartedly here. Thanks!
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I love the LP version. To me that is the "hit" the mixes are nice but sound off. Just my personal opinion.
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prisdeej wrote:
aaronk wrote:
That's why in this case I think it's probably best to stick
with what the database (and book) has shown since the
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Aaron, I agree wholeheartedly here. Thanks! |
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I very much agree with this as well. We're just trying to figure out how best to deal with situations like "Baby Baby" in which the song is issued on multiple commercial single formats, yet at least one of them features a different version on Side A/Track 1 than the others. We'd like to have other forum members share their thoughts and opinions on this as well.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| I very much agree with this as well. We're just trying to figure out how best to deal with situations like "Baby Baby" in which the song is issued on multiple commercial single formats, yet at least one of them features a different version on Side A/Track 1 than the others. We'd like to have other forum members share their thoughts and opinions on this as well. |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but "Baby Baby" isn't an exception when talking about '90s hits. There are hundreds more examples where this happened, which is why I wanted to avoid the slippery slope. Using Madonna's "Secret" as another recent example, no designation is listed for database CDs with the LP version, as the commercial 2-track singles (45, cassette, 2-track CD) all use the LP version as the lead track. The fact that the maxi CD and 12" have a different lead track should not be a reason to re-label the non-described database CDs with a wordy designator that describes all the 2-track singles. Do you agree?
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