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Nick2341
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waldo wrote:
doh!.. i just realised
the version on the JJ comp can't be the 45 as it times out at 4:02.. so
ummmmm is this a new edit perhaps?
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It's the Single Edit that was on one of the commercial/promo singles in
Europe. The one labeled Single Edit #2 on the US single doesn't sensor
anything, but is edited down to 4:02 too.
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Janet's Number Ones features a new clean Single Edit... not the original from 1995. (see also: the Janet Number Ones thread)
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i thought as much. i expect Brian's post on one page is incorrect.. it threw me. i don't have any version with the "pressurin' me" line.. edit or Lp length.. unless it popped up as an anomaly somewhere. if you guys have it on disc, they must have switched the versions around after i had purchased them.
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how does Scream appear these days on the HIStory album. did they clean it up? i have the original.
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waldo wrote:
| i expect Brian's post on one page is incorrect.. it threw me. i don't have any version with the "pressurin' me" line.. edit or Lp length.. unless it popped up as an anomaly somewhere. if you guys have it on disc, they must have switched the versions around after i had purchased them. |
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Mm, I just double checked, and my US commercial two-track CD single for "Scream (34K 78000) does not have "stop fuckin' with me" at 2:53 approximately. Instead they repeat "stop pressurin' me" at that point. I'm quite sure I bought it at Tower Records in Seattle the day it came out.
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oh crap! i stand corrected.. must be lack of sleep or something, or i'm just getting old.
i have the version we were talking about.. in LP length and 45 edit.. *blushes*
i NEVER play the censored version and had forgotten what it was like. for some reason i thought the warped synth noise BEFORE the replaced "Stop F***in' With Me" line was actually bleeping out the "F" word .. it's not.. the additional "Pressuring" is.. the disappearance of the warped noise on the new Janet comp must have thrown me, i could hear there was some sort of difference there straight away.
doh!
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waldo wrote:
[QUOTE=Brian W.]
Off the Wall – Boy, was I surprised to find there have been three different mixes of this song -- the original LP, the 45 remix/edit, and a full-length remix. The 45 version can be found only on a Japanese CD3 from the series I just mentioned, called "Off the Wall/She's Out of My Life," Epic/Sony 10-8P-3045, UPC code 4988010603656. Actual running time is 3:48.
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turns out the LP length remix is in fact the EU 45.. it's on the Tour Souvenir Pack
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E2ZTI06Y
wonder what this is and where it's from ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3gM0wtYFU
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waldo wrote:
wonder what this is and where it's from ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3gM0wtYFU
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It's the remix's left channel.
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There should probably be an "LP version" notation next to "Scream" in the database, since 2-track singles have the clean version.
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waldo wrote:
Brian W. wrote:
Off the Wall – Boy, was I surprised to find there have been three different mixes of this song -- the original LP, the 45 remix/edit, and a full-length remix. The 45 version can be found only on a Japanese CD3 from the series I just mentioned, called "Off the Wall/She's Out of My Life," Epic/Sony 10-8P-3045, UPC code 4988010603656. Actual running time is 3:48.
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turns out the LP length remix is in fact the EU 45.. it's on the Tour Souvenir Pack
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I was just doing some comparisons between the US single remix and the "full-length remix" noted above. The US remix is not an edit of the longer remix. They are two totally separate mixes.
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aaronk wrote:
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Waldo was just saying that the longer remix was used for the European 45. I don't think anybody ever thought the long remix was the same mix as the 45... they're very different.
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Brian W. wrote:
Got "King of Pop." It's the 45 version. Loud and compressed, like all the recent MJ CDs, but it's the true 45 version.
I do have to say, they faded it out a second or two earlier than they needed to (you know how they "help" the fadeout on songs to get rid of hiss at the end).
So for myself I was able to seamlessly dub in the fadeout from the extended mix to bring it more in line with what's on the 45. Course, I had to bump the volume up on the extended mix by 5.5 decibals to match the "King of Pop" version, but... |
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While all of the versions for the songs that appear on both the Australian and UK Editions of King Of Pop are the same, I noticed that whoever mastered the Australian edition didn't "help" the fades on tracks, meaning most of them run 2-5 seconds longer than on the UK edition.
You have to turn it up to really notice, but the end of WBSS on the OZ edition does indeed last nearly 3 seconds longer.
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Underground Dub wrote:
Brian W. wrote:
Got "King of Pop." It's the 45 version. Loud and compressed, like all the recent MJ CDs, but it's the true 45 version.
I do have to say, they faded it out a second or two earlier than they needed to (you know how they "help" the fadeout on songs to get rid of hiss at the end).
So for myself I was able to seamlessly dub in the fadeout from the extended mix to bring it more in line with what's on the 45. Course, I had to bump the volume up on the extended mix by 5.5 decibals to match the "King of Pop" version, but... |
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While all of the versions for the songs that appear on both the Australian and UK Editions of King Of Pop are the same, I noticed that whoever mastered the Australian edition didn't "help" the fades on tracks, meaning most of them run 2-5 seconds longer than on the UK edition.
You have to turn it up to really notice, but the end of WBSS on the OZ edition does indeed last nearly 3 seconds longer. |
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Is the Australian version loud & compressed like the UK version? If it were mastered with less compression, this would definitely be worth seeking out (in addition to the extra few seconds at the end).
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Just found the difference between the album mix & single mix of Man In The Mirror. Listen
to the snare hits at 4:36. In the single mix, the drums at 4:36 onward are from the section
at 4:50 to the end of the album mix.
So, the edit on Number Ones is a re-edit from the album version, not a proper recreation.
Edited by Nick2341 on 11 August 2011 at 7:36am
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Nick2341 wrote:
Just found the difference between the album mix & single mix. Listen to the snare hits at
4:36. In the single mix, the drums at 4:36 onward are from the section at 4:50 to the end
of the album mix.
So, the edit on Number Ones is a re-edit from the album version, not a proper recreation. |
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What song are you talking about, Nick?
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Edited the post. Sorry about that! I was typing too fast last night.
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This looks interesting...
"Twenty-five years after the phrase "Who's Bad" became a generation's cultural catchphrase, Epic/Legacy Recordings, in collaboration with the Estate of Michael Jackson, will celebrate the legendary album and record breaking BAD tour on September 18, 2012 with the release of a deluxe package, BAD 25, which includes three CDs, two collectible booklets, and features the first ever authorized DVD release of a concert from the record breaking BAD tour.
"The era of BAD represented Michael's creative 'coming of age' as a solo artist in charge of every aspect of his career – from recording to touring to endorsements to merchandising. This was the first album on which nearly all of the songs were written by Michael. It was also was the first album in history to produce five consecutive #1 singles and it took 2 ½ decades for another artist to match that success. It was also the first time Michael would tour as a solo artist - his vision, his decisions on what the show would be. The enormous success of the BAD album and tour was a pivotal moment in Michael's growth as a composer, performer and producer cementing his role as the King of Pop. We are thrilled to celebrate such an historic era in Michael's career with this release", stated John Branca and John McClain, Co-Executors of the Estate of Michael Jackson.
The BAD 25 anniversary deluxe edition will feature three CDs and 1 DVD as follows:
· The highlight of the package is the DVD of Michael's legendary July 16, 1988 concert at Wembley Stadium. The concert is not a compilation of performances, but rather one complete show, exactly as Michael performed it for Prince Charles, Princess Diana and the 72,000 fans who were in the audience for that night's sold out show. This show was one of the record-breaking seven nights played at the venue attended by more than half a million people – three times that many people tried to purchase tickets. The DVD was sourced from Michael Jackson's personal VHS copy of the performance as shown on the JumboTrons during the concert. This footage was only recently unearthed and is the only known copy of the show to exist. The visuals have been restored and the audio quality enhanced so that fans can share in the excitement of that famous night
· A CD of the re-mastered original BAD album
· A CD containing previously unreleased material recorded in Michael's personal studio at Hayvenhurst. This material includes early demo versions of songs from the album as well as demos for songs not included on the final album. All of this material is being released as it was recorded during the BAD sessions. Nothing has been added. In addition, this CD will also include new remixes from internationally renowned DJ/producers
· A CD showcasing the audio from the sound truck recordings of the July 16th Wembley performance. The first-ever live Michael Jackson CD to be released, this is the only concert from the BAD Tour known to exist on multitracks
This magnificent 3 CD/1 DVD box set will also include two extensive booklets with yet unseen photos from the recording sessions, video sets and the concert tour, the original BAD cover art, a two-sided poster and more. A BAD 25 two CD standard edition featuring the original album plus the CD of demos and new remixes will also be made available as will a stand alone edition of the DVD and a picture disc of the original album.
On June 5 in the U.S. (June 4th ex-U.S.), Epic / Legacy Recordings will re-release the original first single from the album "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" as a CD Single with a previously unreleased bonus track from the BAD sessions, "Don't Be Messin' 'Round (demo)." This is a Wal-Mart exclusive CD single in the U.S. and will not be available digitally.
On June 26 a replica edition of the original 7" vinyl of this single with the original B-side "Baby Be Mine" will be made available to the world. The first single for BAD, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," was originally released on 7" vinyl in 1987. The 7" single edit of the song has only been available on that original 7" vinyl until now.
Recently, Pepsi announced an exclusive global partnership with the Estate of Michael Jackson as part of its new "Live for Now" campaign. Starting this month, Michael Jackson and Pepsi fans in more than 20 countries around the world will experience this partnership in a variety of ways, including a retail campaign featuring one billion special edition Michael Jackson Bad 25 Pepsi cans, live events, and opportunities for fans to access special edition merchandise and new music from BAD.
The BAD album was the third Michael Jackson album produced by Quincy Jones and was originally released on August 31, 1987. It was monumental in many ways; Michael wrote nine of the album's eleven tracks and received co-producer credit for the entire album. The album was #1 around the world, made history with five consecutive #1 singles on the Billboard chart, produced ten chart-topping singles, nine ground breaking short films and to date, the Bad album has generated over 45 Million units in sales. BAD was nominated for six Grammys and won two; the album earned Michael the first-ever Video Vanguard Award at the MTV VMA Awards. Songs on the original album are: "Bad," "The Way You Make Me Feel," "Speed Demon," "Liberian Girl," "Just Good Friends" featuring Stevie Wonder, "Another Part of Me," "Man in the Mirror," "I Just Can't Stop Loving You," "Dirty Diana," "Smooth Criminal," with "Leave Me Alone" added to the album once released.
The BAD World Tour was Michael's first concert tour as a solo artist. The legendary tour included 123 concerts attended by more than 4.4 million fans over sixteen months. When it concluded, the tour had shattered all previous touring records for attendance and total gross revenue adding three new entries in the Guinness World Records for the largest grossing tour in history, the tour with the largest attended audience and the most sold out shows at Wembley Stadium.
More details on this and other exciting projects relating to BAD's 25th anniversary will be announced soon."
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So the spoken intro will be restored?
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Underground Dub wrote:
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Yeah, I find that puzzling, too, since there is nothing from the "Bad" album, remixes or otherwise, that was only released on vinyl. But 90% of the people working at Sony Music were probably still in school when the "Bad" album was released, so few there really know what they're talking about.
Edited by Brian W. on 22 May 2012 at 11:49am
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See here's what I still don't get. The new package includes a remastered CD. I understood that Bad was recorded digitally on a 2" tape using a Sony 50 KHz machine. So what is it about the album sessions and mixdown that would require remastering? I thought the sonics were brilliant on my LP.
Please enlighten me on this.
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I think it just means they are going to compress the hell out of it (aka "brickwall"), so that it sounds just as bad (no pun intended) as all the other songs on your iPod.
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