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Posted: 01 July 2020 at 5:41pm \| IP Logged

Wait a minute--I'm confused. The "a heart" that appears at (1:31) on the stock 45 appears at (1:17) on the promo, and to me they sound alike.
So am I missing something?

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Posted: 01 July 2020 at 6:27pm \| IP Logged

Then what is this at 1:17 (on the edit)?

Benny's Edit

Compare it to the video I linked at 1:31. It sounds different to me.

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Posted: 01 July 2020 at 7:03pm \| IP Logged

I really don't detect much of a difference honestly (maybe a little EQing difference, at best, which admittedly I'm not an expert at
discerning). My source is the Eric Hard To Find 45s on CD, Volume 15 disc, which Pat indicates as having the short DJ edit.

Edited by sriv94 on 01 July 2020 at 7:04pm

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Posted: 01 July 2020 at 7:12pm \| IP Logged

Wow! OK. It's actually the "A" that I was concerned with. On the video the difference stuck out to me as unrecognizable. The note is actually sung lower and quieter, whereas on my single, it's more transient. But fair enough :)

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Posted: 01 July 2020 at 8:57pm \| IP Logged

Jody, I hear what you mean and I think I can explain it. EQ is a BIG part of my job so I run
into this sometimes. The 2 sources you're comparing have a radically different EQ. The mp3 for
the DJ edit is very bright, with lots of upper mid-range and more compression. This makes his
vocal sound louder and closer.
In the video, there's low-compression and much less mid-range. This makes his vocal sound
further away. And when I first listened I thought, hmmm slightly different, but I then
A/B'd carefully and picked up the different EQ.
But you can rest assured they are the same vocal - just a very different delivery to our ears.

I do recall when we issued this edit on the Eric CD, other CDs with the full version had a
softer EQ. But Aaron had sent me a promo 45 dub and I recall it was brighter, and had a small
amount of compression so I matched our CD release to the EQ of the promo 45.

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Posted: 02 July 2020 at 3:29am \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

I definitely picked up on the different EQ curve and compression ratio you're mentioning. I guess I was surprised because when I heard the difference on the video, I was turned around paying attention to something else, and then it "came out" at me. Why that mystifies me is this: if the diffrences were all EQ and dynamic range, I feel that I would have noticed other differences before then because my ears and brain had settled in the the EQ curve and dynamics of the source I was listening to. I didn't start out comparing versions. You see what I mean? Whereas, I picked out the "A" just from singing along.

Upon repeated plays between the two, I start to see more similarities than differences. So you must be on to something with EQ and compression being the effect. All good though. I guess I'm just so surprised after forty years of picking this out, and never noticing it until now.

Edited by Jody Thornton on 02 July 2020 at 3:30am

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Posted: 03 July 2020 at 5:40am \| IP Logged

Benny Mardones died the other day...sad..

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Posted: 03 July 2020 at 3:21pm \| IP Logged

crapfromthepast wrote:

In college, we used to joke
the by the end of "Into The Night", Benny's vocals
deteriorate into just screaming. Still, the song
endures; it's still a favorite on Delilah's radio
show.

"Into The Night" was one of a handful of songs revived
between 1987 and 1989, along with "What About Me",
"Send Me An Angel", "When I'm With You", "Red Red
Wine", "Valerie", "At This Moment", "Where Are You
Now", "In Your Eyes", and others. It was the original
1980 recording of "Into The Night" that was a hit
again in 1989.

Non-hit 1989 rerecording

Curb Records, always willing to seize an opportunity,
had Benny rerecord "Into The Night" along with some
new stuff, and put out the Benny Mardones album
in 1989. The difference between the original and the
Curb remake is not subtle. The 1989 version has the
late '80s big drum sounds, and virtually drowns is
late '80s electronic reverb. This remake was not a
hit, and appears only on Curb discs, plus Razor &
Tie's Easy Rock (2001).

All other discs include the hit version, recorded in
1980, charting in 1980, and charting again in 1989,
all on Polydor.

1980 album and commercial 45
version

The hit version first appeared on the single-artist
Benny Mardones CD issue of his Never Run Never
Hide album, on Polydor. I don't have this disc
myself, but it's generally considered to have pretty
good sound. It runs 4:29 here. My hunch is that
EMI's collection Retro Lunchbox Gooey Love
Songs (1997) is sourced from Never Run Never
Hide - it sounds quite good.

Rhino did a new analog transfer for Radio Daze Vol.
3 (1995), where it runs two seconds longer at
4:31. Sound quality is about the same as Never Run
Never Hide, but this one gets my vote because of
the longer running time. The same analog transfer is
used for:

Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol.
13 Just The Two Of Us (1997; digitally exactly 2
dB quieter)
Time-Life's 2-CD Classic Soft
Rock Vol. 3 Into The Night (2006; differently EQ'd
digital clone)

All of the above sound good.

swaitek's 50-CD A List Disc 3 (1994) has noise
reduction, and may be sourced from vinyl - avoid.

1980 (?) promo 45 version

The promo 45 starts with an edit of the
album version that cuts out the second repetition of
the intro by editing out 0:09 to 0:24 (cymbal hit to
cymbal hit). At the end of the song, the
promo 45 cuts out Benny's screaming, and loops a few
measures of just background singers singing "Fly, to
the night" to form the last 12 seconds of the promo
45. The promo 45 runs 3:45.

I assume that this promo 45 came out in 1980? Can
anyone confirm? Was there a 1989 promo 45 or promo CD
single?

The following paragraph is incorrect, but
I'm leaving it in so that subsequent posts make sense.

1980 (and 1989?) commercial 45

I'm a little hampered by not having the
vinyl for this track. I have a file from Aaron for
this track. The 45 is an edit of the album version
that cuts out the second repetition of the intro by
editing out 0:09 to 0:24 (cymbal hit to cymbal hit).
That would put the 45 length at about 4:15. Can
anyone confirm? Is this true for both the 1980
Polydor and 1989 Polydor 45s? (Was there even a 1989
Polydor 45? I may be confusing this with the
"Unchained Melody" Verve/Curb 45 debacle.

* Red text above is corrected, based on
subsequent posts.

I have a flac of the promo 45. If you don't have it I
can send it your way.

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I know there are a few members here who spent time in the Twin Cities in the 80s and I'm wondering if anyone can help jog my memory regarding this song's airplay in the summer of 1989.

Neither WLOL nor KDWB reported "Into the Night" in their weekly surveys, but at a minimum KDWB had it in regular rotation because I remember hearing it as much as most currents. I know KDWB played the original version at least some of time because I still have a cassette recording from that summer with a snippet of a KDWB liner at the end of the song.

I suspect WLOL played it too because A) I spent most of my time listening to WLOL, and B) I distinctly remember being aware of the two different versions, and I'm guessing WLOL played the 1989 re-recording while KDWB played the original. Any other Twin Cities members have similar recollections?

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995wlol wrote:

I know there are a few members here who spent time in the Twin Cities in the 80s and I'm
wondering if anyone can help jog my memory regarding this song's airplay in the summer of 1989.

Neither WLOL nor KDWB reported "Into the Night" in their weekly surveys, but at a minimum KDWB had it in regular
rotation because I remember hearing it as much as most currents. I know KDWB played the original version at least
some of time because I still have a cassette recording from that summer with a snippet of a KDWB liner at the end
of the song.

I suspect WLOL played it too because A) I spent most of my time listening to WLOL, and B) I distinctly remember
being aware of the two different versions, and I'm guessing WLOL played the 1989 re-recording while KDWB played
the original. Any other Twin Cities members have similar recollections?

That pretty much matches my recollection. WLOL was the only station I recall playing the new version. IIRC, the
song was only played for a few weeks before totally disappearing.

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Posted: 13 July 2020 at 7:17am \| IP Logged

Paul Haney wrote:

That pretty much matches my recollection. WLOL was the only station I recall playing the new version. IIRC, the
song was only played for a few weeks before totally disappearing.

Thanks so much for helping to confirm my fuzzy memory, Paul!

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Posted: 31 January 2022 at 7:26pm \| IP Logged

The only reason I even know about this song is because a friend of mine was at a club and he, "Benny" danced on her table, as the story goes.
I have no idea what city she was in at the time.

I don't think I even remember hearing this one on local radio at the time. No way I could say which version may have been played here.

Edited by AdvprosD on 03 February 2022 at 11:32am

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AdvprosD wrote:

The only reason I even know about this
song is because a friend of mine was at a club and he,
"Benny" danced
on her table, as the story goes.
I have no idea what city she was in at the time.

If he could fly, he would've picked her up. :D

Edited by BSharp on 04 February 2022 at 8:04am

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 10:42am \| IP Logged

BSharp wrote:

AdvprosD wrote:

The only reason I even know about this song is because a friend of mine was at a club and he, "Benny" danced
on her table, as the story goes. I have no idea what city she was in at the time.

If he could fly, he would've picked her up. :D

After making that comment, I realized that I may have brought myself open to innuendo. It's a game for us around here to tack-on a label to lyrics.
What we frequently say is, "So that's what the kids are calling it these days."

Benny Mardones; "Dance on her table."
Bobby Vinton; "Someday, some boy will write In her book too."
Beatles, Ted Nugent. etc., etc.

I'm sure there's a million of them to be either mis-heard or deliberately made fun of.

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:04am \| IP Logged

Could somebody detail exactly which section at the end loops? I can imagine how they did it but wonder exactly where the edit is - this particular version isn't on YouTube at the moment to reference. Thanks!

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:30am \| IP Logged

vanmeter,

Are you looking for editing instructions for the short
version?

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 8:39am \| IP Logged

Correct, the short edit that loops the background singers at the end. I'm assuming it just repeats 3:38-3:44 and edits right on the word "fly" but wanted to make sure since it sounds like it might be technically possible to get the drum fill in too (I've not tried it).

Edited by vanmeter on 28 February 2022 at 8:43am

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:07am \| IP Logged

Private message me and I think I can help you out.

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:11am \| IP Logged

1) Remove 0:04 to 0:14 on the downbeat.
2) Loop the segment that occurs between 3:40 and 3:46 of the full-length version exactly twice. The edit is just before the word "fly." Fade starting at the first loop (edit point) until the end of the two loops.

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 9:13am \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

Thanks, easy enough!

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