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My commentary on the aforementioned tracks that need clarification. Looking foward to the input of the others here to help define these once and for all in a severely US-centric manner. ;)
"Burning Up"
The only commercial single release was an unnamed version that is technically the original version of the song. International promo and commercial 7" releases feature a simple edit of this version (also included on the Japan CD Single box), but I've yet to find evidence of a US release.
A video release occured later using the US "LP Version", a rocked up and edited remix by Jellybean.
"Don't Cry For Me Argentina"
The first promotional release for this featured the same ballad "Radio Edit" found on GHV2 as the lead track. This release featured full artwork, unlike the second release that begins with the "Miami Mix Edit". I lean more towards that "Miami Mix Edit" as the hit version for being the undeniable aiplay hit, and for its inclusion on the commercially released maxi single.
"Beautiful Stranger"
If we look to Canada, they received the same maxi single as other countries with the "LP Version" as the lead track. The "reissues" from 2001/2002 were considered the vinyl release of GHV2 (to tie in with the 45 single design concept). The mixes selected for the full compilation release are not entirely accurate ("Erotica," "Secret," "Take A Bow," "Bedtime Story," "Frozen," "Ray Of Light"...all radio edits not featured on the proper single releases) meaning we can't use the GHV2 and its related reissue 45's to represent the original release "single versions". Due to the Canadian release, I believe we can consider the "LP Version" the 'single version'.
"What It Feels Like For A Girl"
This one is perhaps the trickiest. The only US commercial issue was a maxi-single without either track featured on the promo. Radio played the "Radio Edit" which was track number 1 on the US promo CD. The video featured a unique, dub-like remix similar to the "Above & Beyond Club Radio Edit" found on the maxi-single. International singles featured the "LP Version". GHV2 includes the "LP Version"
"Hollywood"
Like "What It Feels Like For A Girl", this resumes the trend of Madonna singles issued without a proper 2-track single in any format. Still, I suppose the "Radio Edit" that leads off the maxi single, promo and all international releases is fairly easy to determine as the single version.
"Nothing Fails"
The promo and all international single releases feature "Radio Edit", a semi-complicated edit of the "LP Version", but like "What It Feels Like For A Girl", the maxi single is comprised entirely of remixes. The few stations that gave this a spin seemed to opt for number 2 on the promo CD single, "Radio Remix" which is similar to the "Nevins Mix" found on the Remixed & Revisited EP.
"Love Profusion"
Like "What It Feels Like For A Girl" and "Nothing Fails" before it, the maxi single is all remixes, and length ones at that. The promo CD and all international single releases feature the "LP Version" which was also the video version and used in ads for the Beyond Paradise fragrance.
"Hung Up"
Entering the digital download era. God help us all. I'm assuming the original iTunes/etc. download matches the lead "Radio Version" found on the US maxi-single. Just to clarify, North American and Japanese releases feature this version with an instrumental fade. Other countries have a "Radio Version" that runs the same length but features continued singing similar to the full "LP Version" over the fade.
"Sorry"
I'm assuming the main digital release would be the "Single Edit" found as the lead track on the maxi single, the promo CD single and all international singles (listed instead as "Radio Version")
"Get Together"
Another tricky one. The digital download version was the "Radio Edit" found on international single releases and used for the video, but the US maxi single instead features the "Album Version" (actually the slightly different "Unblended Album Version" since the Confessions On A Dance Floor CD was continuous mix).
"Jump"
The maxi, promo and video all feature the "Radio Edit" version, while some international releases feature the "Album Version" (as with "Get Together, the slightly different "Unblended Album Version").
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Underground Dub wrote:
My commentary on the aforementioned tracks that need clarification. Looking foward to the input of the others here to help define these once and for all in a severely US-centric manner. ;)
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Sorry, my friend. I just typed out a long, detailed reply to this, hit the wrong key, and now it's all gone. I'm not typing it again. Maybe in a few days. Sorry.
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LMAO. Sorry to hear that.
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The short version was:
Burning Up - correct, no US promo. The promos were for its flipside, "Physical Attraction." But there was a completely different mix for the UK single that has never been released on CD.
Don't Cry for Me - I don't recall ever hearing anything on the radio except the Miami Mix Edit.
Beautiful Stranger - Madonna US maxi singles always matched their Canadian counterparts, but two-track CD singles were not issued in Canada, as they were for most of her US singles during this period. Hard to say what would have been on a "Beautiful Stranger" 2-track. A proper U.S. single version can't be determined.
What It Feels Like for a Girl - I would have sworn I saw a 2-track cassingle for this at Tower Records in Glendale, but memory is a tricky thing, and I can find no sign of one on the Internet anywhere. Again, I don't think it's possible to determine a proper "single version."
Hollywood - I would agree the Radio Edit is the "single version."
Nothing Fails & Love Profusion - I consider these to be like Burning Up: they received no airplay, didn't chart, and should be considered 12-inch exclusives.
Hung Up - the official single verison is the one-track digital single, which is the Radio Edit from the US maxi-CD. However, is this the "hit" version? Because the only version to hit #1 on Hot Digital Tracks is the "un-mixed" album version, which replaced the radio edit as the "hit" version the week the album came out. It's a tossup as to which was the "hit version," but the Radio Edit is definitely the official single version.
Sorry, Get Together, Jump - The main digital sellers for all three of these were the "unblended" album versions. I don't recall there being any separate, one-track singles for any of them. Sorry did make the top 40 (barely) on the Hot Digital Songs chart, but the other two were flops.
Basically, for anything where it's not possible to determine a "single version" from the commercial releasees, I would lean toward the leadoff track on the promo CD as being the intended single version.
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Brian W. wrote:
| Burning Up - correct, no US promo. The promos were for its flipside, "Physical Attraction." But there was a completely different mix for the UK single that has never been released on CD. |
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I believe you're a little confused (and rightfully so). While the UK 45 of "Everybody" is a unique mix, the mix of "Burning Up" issued matches the Japanese edit found on the CD Single box, a simple edit of the 12" version.
The UK ALBUM version is a non-CD alternate mix that sort of sounds like a mixture of elements from the 12" "original" version and the US/etc LP Version. This version appeared on all UK vinyl pressings of Madonna (1983) and the rerelease The First Album, as well as on the UK b-side of "Angel".
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| Don't Cry for Me - I don't recall ever hearing anything on the radio except the Miami Mix Edit |
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Nor do I, though video networks ran the video culled from the film that uses the ballad version. If we are to go by what is the lead track on the "main" promo release, then "Radio Edit" would be the official version by that criteria. As I mentioned, there were 2 different promo releases for DCFMA, the first with full artwork and matching fonts on the CD itself that contain the "Radio Edit" and "Album Version" (which is identical to the "unblended" version heard on the 1 CD highlights release of Evita.)
The second release features 4 versions and has only a "generic" back insert and standard Warner Bros. CD labeling. The lead track is the "Miami Mix Edit" followed by the "Radio Edit" and then 2 additional remixes. Since the "Miami Mix Edit" is absolutely the hit I consider it the "single version", but it's cheating if we are using the lead-track-on-promo method.
This decision is made more difficult when considering that --for example-- though the single version for 7 week #1 "Take A Bow" is the "LP Version", I never once heard that version on the radio. It was ALWAYS the Edit (also used for the video) which didn't see a commercial release in the US until GHV2 in 2001.
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| Beautiful Stranger - Madonna US maxi singles always matched their Canadian counterparts, but two-track CD singles were not issued in Canada, as they were for most of her US singles during this period. Hard to say what would have been on a "Beautiful Stranger" 2-track. A proper U.S. single version can't be determined. |
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Perhaps since this particular song charted as "Album Cut" on Billboard (due to the lack of even a stateside maxi release) we should nominate the Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me "LP Version" as "single version" based on that?
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| What It Feels Like for a Girl - I would have sworn I saw a 2-track cassingle for this at Tower Records in Glendale, but memory is a tricky thing, and I can find no sign of one on the Internet anywhere. Again, I don't think it's possible to determine a proper "single version." |
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I hate Warner Bros. Just kidding.
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| Nothing Fails & Love Profusion - I consider these to be like Burning Up: they received no airplay, didn't chart, and should be considered 12-inch exclusives. |
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I'd agree did I not own promo CDs that specifically state "Radio Mixes" on them. The attempt was made --in the case of "Love Profusion" a video was filmed-- and despite their floppage (I know, I know... why care, this is a Top 40 forum) they still have "single versions". By the lead-promo-track method that means they are "Nothing Fails (Radio Edit)" and "Love Profusion (LP Version)".
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| Hung Up - the official single verison is the one-track digital single, which is the Radio Edit from the US maxi-CD. However, is this the "hit" version? Because the only version to hit #1 on Hot Digital Tracks is the "un-mixed" album version, which replaced the radio edit as the "hit" version the week the album came out. It's a tossup as to which was the "hit version," but the Radio Edit is definitely the official single version. |
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And I did always hear the edit on the radio.
I sort of feel that this scenario is a little like when labels would release an insanely small run of cassingles for chart eligability and then force people to buy the album. The "hit version" didn't suddenly become the album version just because that was all that was left out there commercially. Simply put, iTunes has messed everything up, lol.
Brian W. wrote:
Sorry, Get Together, Jump - The main digital sellers for all three of these were the "unblended" album versions. I don't recall there being any separate, one-track singles for any of them. Sorry did make the top 40 (barely) on the Hot Digital Songs chart, but the other two were flops.
Basically, for anything where it's not possible to determine a "single version" from the commercial releasees, I would lean toward the leadoff track on the promo CD as being the intended single version. |
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Thank you for this thread and for continuing to add input. Very much appreciated. :)
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I now have a headache.
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LOL!
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With her new single "4 Minutes" debuting at #3 on the Hot 100, Madonna scores her 37th top ten hit on the Hot 100. So it's time to update her "45 versions" listing, which I have done.
Gotta point out: since Billboard debuted their bestselling singles charts in 1940, 68 years ago, only six artists have had more than thirty top 10 entries. Counting only the sales charts prior to 1955, when the Top 100 (the precursor of the Hot 100) debuted, they are:
Bing Crosby (58)
Perry Como (42)
Elvis Presley (38)
Glenn Miller (38)
Madonna (37) (really 38, if you count "Into the Groove")
Beatles (34)
If you were to count only the sales charts -- knowing that Cash Box was all sales-based through the 1960s, and using Variety for 1976-1984, then going to the Billboard sales charts -- the names would stay the same, though Madonna would be pushed to the bottom, with "only" 32 top ten sellers. Elvis would go up to second place, with between 45 and 48.
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Congrats Madonna! That's an incredible record to break.
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Don't Cry for Me Argentina – Her latin-tynged disco re-recording of this classic "Evita" song was apparently never issued as a two-track single anywhere in the world. It was only available as a maxi-single, containing -- in the U.S. -- the Miami Mix Alternate Ending (7:59), Miami Spanglish Mix (6:57), Miami Mix Edit (4:29), Miami Dub Mix (6:23), Miami Mix Instrumental Version (6:55), and Miami Spanglish Mix Edit (4:28). But in most countries, the maxi-single led off with the Miami Mix Edit, as did the U.S. promo single, so that is what I consider to be the single version. I don't think it has ever been issued on any album, but the maxi-single is still in print, Warner UPC 093624-38092-4. (Strangely, she used the film's ballad version on her "Greatest Hits Vol. 2"... which is the only version of the song that ever was released as a two-track single, but in the UK only!)
does anyone know if this song was ever issued in the usa as a cassingle?
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edtop40 wrote:
does anyone know if this song was ever issued in the usa as a cassingle?
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I'm 99.9% sure it was, but only as a maxi-cassingle, with the same track lineup as the CD maxi. I swear remember seeing it at Tower. Can't find a copy online now, though. But a Madonna discography online does list it, with the notation "Rare."
But I do know for sure that it was not issued as a two-track or one-track cassingle in the USA.
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Brian W. wrote:
I'm 99.9% sure it was, but only as a maxi-cassingle, with the same track lineup as the CD maxi. I swear remember seeing it at Tower. Can't find a copy online now, though. But a Madonna discography online does list it, with the notation "Rare."
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It wasn't. Her last cassette maxi in the US was "I'll Remember", nearly 3 years before "DCFMA".
A little trivia: Her first cassette maxi release was 1987's "Who's That Girl", followed by "Causing A Commotion". Both were packaged in longboxes.
1989's "Like A Prayer" yielded 3" CD, 7" vinyl and cassette single formats, but only a 12" maxi single.
This trend continued less the 3" format with "Express Yourself", then dwindled further losing the maxi singles altogether for "Cherish" and "Oh Father".
Her first 1990 release, "Keep It Together", marked the official launch of her 5" US CD Maxi Singles and the return of 12" and cassette maxi singles (which with very few exceptions corresponded to the track selection of the 12" format versus the CD format).
Several mixes were featured on the 12"/CM releases not included on the CDs and vice versa.
Every US single release from 1990's "Keep It Together" to 1994's "I'll Remember" that has a 12" and CD maxi also was issued on Cassette Maxi Single in the US.
Only standard cassette singles continued afterward through to 2001's "Don't Tell Me".
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so...the song WAS issued as a commercial 2 track cassingle....
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I know this song ("Dont Cry for Me Argentina") was never issued on a 7-inch vinyl single in the States, which was rare for a Madonna song. Just about everything before and after (up until "Hung Up") did have a 45 release.
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edtop40 wrote:
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I meant that last line to say that all standard CD/7" single releases were issued on cassette single up through 2001's "Don't Tell Me".
The formats are a bit of a mess afterwards and there have been no cassette releases. "What It Feels Like For A Girl" was a CD Maxi/12" Maxi/DVD single release. No standard single on any format though it's likely it would have been her last cassette single had the 2-track configuration been issued.
The only proper 7" singles since "Don't Tell Me" have been "Die Another Day" (Radio Edit b/w LP Version) and "American Life" (Radio Edit b/w the otherwise unreleased "Die Another Day" Richard Humpty Vission Radio Edit).
She's been strictly CD Maxi/12" Maxi beginning with 2003's "Hollywood", though the new hit "4 Minutes" is also set to come out on a third format, 12" picture disc, a stateside first for her.
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edtop40 wrote:
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No, you're misunderstanding, Ed. It definitely was NOT released as a 2-track cassingle in the US. Of that, everyone is in agreement on. And it looks like Underground is probably right about the maxi-cassette as well.
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Spotlight– Though not commercially issued as a single in the U.S., it was a minor airplay hit, reaching #32 on Billboard's Top 40 Airplay chart. Radio stations were provided with a promo CD of radio-length edits of all the songs from Madonna's "You Can Dance" album (Sire PRO-CD-2892), and this 4:32 edit is the version that was the airplay hit.
That promo edits CD is hard to find and expensive (at least $70 these days), but luckily this was Madonna's first commercial CD single in Japan (which is the only country where it was released as a single). So not only is it part of the Japanese "CD Single Collection," it is also available on its own, with its original B-side: the remix/edit of Where's the Party. (Which some may recall was released to TV as a "best-of" video to promote the "You Can Dance" compilation.) The individual CD single is Warner-Pioneer 10SW-21. You can expect to pay $20-$35 these days for the disc, and it's not terribly rare.
i remember hearing a version on the radio, back in the day, with the best part of the song......the break.....which isn't on the single edit....is it possible that the full length version got airplay as well?
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If I recall correctly, some stations would play the LP Version and just fade early. That's likely what you heard. :)
Still, that promo edit would qualify as the "hit" .
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Underground Dub wrote:
If I recall correctly, some stations would play the LP Version and just fade early. That's likely what you heard. :)
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But the full-length song was also on a promo 12-inch, so it's possible that's what Ed heard as well.
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for whatever it's worth, the TM Century hit disc (715 - pre "A" disc/ "B" disc etc) from 1987 had the full length version of "Spotlight" on it.
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