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Brian W.
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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:48pm \| IP Logged

cmmmbase wrote:

for whatever it's worth, the TM Century hit disc (715 - pre "A" disc/ "B" disc etc) from 1987 had the full length version of "Spotlight" on it.

Interesting... what's the running time of the track, do you know?

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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:50pm \| IP Logged

it runs 4:52 on the TM Century disc...

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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:01pm \| IP Logged

cmmmbase wrote:

it runs 4:52 on the TM Century disc...

Hmm, well, it's not the full-length "unsegued" version, then. That would run over 6 1/2 minutes. I wonder if they did their own edit? They couldn't have just faded the long version early, because the 4:50 mark is in the middle of a verse.

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Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:37pm \| IP Logged

ooops - forgot that the original was that long. They must have done a custom edit as the last vocal was at the 4:40 mark on this version....

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Posted: 11 April 2009 at 7:25pm \| IP Logged

Can someone post the edit points for Lucky Star, Holiday, Burning Up, and Physical Attraction?

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Posted: 12 April 2009 at 7:07pm \| IP Logged

LUCKY STAR 3:51

Cut 8 seconds at 0:14, making your edit point on the bass drum.
Remove 2:19 to 2:35.
Cut 3:41 to 3:57 both on the bass drum & first beat of the measure.
Fade starts at 3:34 and goes to 3:51.

HOLIDAY 4:06

Cut off the ending from 5:53 to the end on the word together.
Create a nice bell-curve fade out from 5:39 to the end.
Cut 4:58 to 5:15 right before the word holiday on the snare drum hit.
Cut 4:00 to 4:41 on the snare drum hit before the word holiday.
Cut 2:33 to 2:41 on the snare drum and keyboard riff.
Cut 2:10 to 2:27 with your edit points on the snare before the word it.
Cut 0:24 to 0:41 before the snare hit & keyboard riff.
Cut everything before 0:08. The song stars on the fourth beat of a
measure right where the keyboard hook comes in.

BURNING UP (Remix Edit) 3:52

Cut 2:19 and 2:33 on the synth stab.
Fade 3:37 to 3:52 with a bell curve.

These three were taken from a previous thread here. Physical Attraction
was a slight remix, but there's another straightforward edit of the LP mix
on another '45.

PHYSICAL ATTRACTION (LP Edit) 3:31

Cut 0:09 - 0:25 seconds on synth stab.
Cut 1:54 - 2:10
Cut 2:42 3:18 on first measure of breakdown to the synth stab before
the rap comes in.
Cut 2:54 - 3:10 on the word say.
Fade from 3:16 on the word ooh to the middle between 3:31 and 3:32
with a bell curve.

Edited by Nick2341 on 13 April 2009 at 4:37pm

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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 7:07am \| IP Logged

Thank you so much. Can you explain more about this "bell curve." I'm assuming it means that it's not a 45 degree slope. What software does this?

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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 2:48pm \| IP Logged

chendagam wrote:

Can you explain more about this "bell curve." I'm assuming it means that it's not a 45 degree slope. What software does this?

Most fadeouts have a bell curve slope to them, rather than a straight slope. Cool Edit Pro has a "bell curve" setting under the "Envelope" dialog box. I generally always do these manually, though. Here is my secret to creating great sounding fades using percentages:

- Leave about a half second of extra audio.
- Select the start and end points of your fade.
- Fade from 100% to 0%
- Fade again from 100% to 7%
- Fade one more time from 100% to 11%

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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 2:50pm \| IP Logged

Nick2341 wrote:

HOLIDAY 4:06

Cut off the ending from 5:53 to the end on the word together.
Create a nice bell-curve fade out from 5:39 to the end.
Cut 4:58 to 5:15 right before the word holiday on the snare drum hit.
Cut 4:00 to 4:41 on the snare drum hit before the word holiday.
Cut 2:33 to 2:41 on the snare drum and keyboard riff.

Hmmm, the intro is definitely edited from the very beginning of the LP version to where the "string-like" keyboard synth comes in. I don't see a mention of that edit point.

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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 3:24pm \| IP Logged

Good catch Aaron. Must have accidentally deleted that part when I was
editing some of the words. I'll fix that!

EDIT: Fixed the directions.

Edited by Nick2341 on 13 April 2009 at 4:37pm

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Posted: 13 April 2009 at 3:55pm \| IP Logged

Nice secret Aaron! I'll give it a try. ....I like the manual way better...much cleaner fade. Thanks! I have been wanting to know how to do this for years.

Edited by chendagam on 13 April 2009 at 4:08pm

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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 9:41am \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

I haven't tried using the Envelope box in Cool Edit Pro. I'm so used to using Magix that I normally just use that for my fades.

To match a fade, I always load the waveform for the 45 and the waveform for my custom edit in the audio editor, one atop the other, and visually match the 45's fadeout using the "draw volume curve" tool in Magix. When they look the same, I listen and A/B them repeatedly, tweaking this and that. I'm ridiculously obsessive about it.

Edited by Brian W. on 14 April 2009 at 6:04pm

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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 10:00am \| IP Logged

In Cool Edit Pro, once I've highlighted the portion to be faded (16 beats, 32 beats, etc.), I usually use Edit > Crossfade > Sinusoidal.

I realize that's probably not close enough for many of you fade-shape sticklers, but for radio work, it's nice to have the fade begin on a downbeat and last for a multiple of 8 beats. In my experience with the '70s/'80s/'90s tracks, most of the fades are within a beat or two of the multiple-of-8 anyway.

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Posted: 14 April 2009 at 5:12pm \| IP Logged

So as a kid I was always fascinated that it seemed as though the song never actually faded out. What I mean is that where the fade was supposed to start it just never did. I'm assuming this is because of the compressor?

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Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:40am \| IP Logged

chendagam wrote:

Yes, the compression used on radio signals will boost the volume as the song is fading out. If you ever heard a DJ who accidentally let the song run out to the end, you'll notice that the fade happens very rapidly. The compressor has a threshold at which it doesn't try to "normalize" the volume below a certain db.

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Posted: 15 April 2009 at 5:35pm \| IP Logged

Yes! I have a compressor running on my internet radio station and sometimes if the source was a 45 and there is a pop or click at the end the software recognized it as part of the song so the fade happened rapidly followed by that "click" and then the next song would come on.

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Posted: 12 October 2010 at 8:47pm \| IP Logged

So the U.S. 45 version of EVERYBODY is not available on CD but can be created from the 12" version. Does anyone know the edit points by chance?

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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 7:43am \| IP Logged

This is from another thread around here before.

Everybody (Edit) 3:58

Cut the section between 10 - 18 seconds
Cut the third chorus in half editing from 1:46 - 2:02 of the fourth chorus.
Cut the section from 2:06 - 2:54
Cut the section from 3:10 - 3:42 on the word body.
Cut the section from 3:42 - 3:58 on the word body.

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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 12:05pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for posting that, Nick. The nice thing about "Everybody" is you don't have to do a fade... it just uses the 12" fade. I did a perfect custom edit of this a while back. I would have posted this info myself, but I never make notes on the edits... I just do them.

By the way, the way the audio moves to the left channel during the fade, then back center again at the very end of the fade, that is on the original 45 as well.

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Posted: 14 October 2010 at 6:53pm \| IP Logged

Thanks Nick,

Took awhile to find clean edit points but it sounds great when finished. I never realized how brickwalled the 2001 remaster of "Madonna" is. I used the True Blue Japanese CD single with actual peaks and valleys to edit from.

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