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I recently noticed a difference between the mono and stereo versions of the "45 version (edit)" of The Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today.
In the mono version on Rock Classics Of The '60s, the break starts at 2:23 and ends with the "ohhhhhh" at 3:29 (running 1:06). In the stereo version on say Nuggets Vol. 3, the break starts at 2:25 and ends with the "ohhhhhh" at 3:23 (running :58). BUT, the mono version is a bit faster. The mono version indeed has a longer break, and it does sound a bit different to me. the overall length of the mono version being shorter too, can anyone confirm with an actual 45 that this mono version is indeed the mono 45. It would seem then that the stereo 45 edit is just not quite it!
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My commercial 45 for this song, which is mono and confirmed as Columbia 44414, happens to be the rarer and shorter of the two 1968 commercial 45 releases. It has a listed time of (3:05), but an actual time of (3:09).
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Pat:
The database currently displays a "45 version" comment for each of the song's CD appearances running approximately 4:47 and 3:09. If I may make a suggestion, I'm thinking it might be a bit more helpful for database subscribers if the comments were modified slightly to read "long 45 version" for the 4:47 entries and "short 45 version" for the 3:09 entries. That way, subscribers can more quickly scan down the song's CD listings and find the 45 edit they may be looking for.
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Agreed, the 4:47 long single is the most common. And there is a mono version of it on 45.
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The song was recorded back in 1966, all 11 minutes and change of it, and a very different recording starting with, instead of the cuckoo, what sounds like a pony whinnying and a clock bell.
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The 4:47 version has what sounds like ground-loop hum
towards the end of the song, where the metronome is
slowing down, just before the "euuuh!". I've noticed
later re-creations of this edit don't have it. Was it on
the album?
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I don't have the vinyl The Time Has Come LP, but there's no ground-loop hum at all on that portion of the track on my promo copy of the vinyl The Chambers Brothers Greatest Hits LP.
Maybe someone thought the 4:47 single sounded more psychedelicized by throwing in some hum. :)
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Hykker wrote:
The 4:47 version has what sounds like ground-loop hum
towards the end of the song, where the metronome is
slowing down, just before the "euuuh!". I've noticed
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You know that the metronome is supposed to be imitating a ticking clock, given the first word in the title, "Time". ;
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I have a copy that, like Jim's, is Columbia 44414 and listed 3:05, but
listening this weekend, it felt much longer. Sure enough, it appears to
be the long single edit. My copy is too trashed to get a precise timing
but it runs at least 4:40. The deadwax has a machine stamped code:
zsp135996-3c.
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The song was recorded back in 1966, all 11 minutes and change of it, and a very different recording starting with, instead of the cuckoo, what sounds like a pony whinnying and a clock metronome.
Edited by Steve Carras on 23 August 2016 at 7:42pm
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What a mess! Three different 45s, all mono (never mixed to stereo), an 11-minute long LP version, and a parade of non-hit stereo edits.
Let's tackle this chronologically.
Non-hit 1966 mono 45 version (printed 2:37, actual about 2:39)
This 45 came out as Columbia 4-43816 (matrix number 115801). Discogs lists the release date as being Sep 12, 1966 - two years before the song was a hit.
It turned up first on CD on Columbia/Legacy's Time Has Come: The Best Of The Chambers Brothers (1996), where it's called "Single Version One". This disc is an excellent overview of the band, produced by Bob Irwin and mastered by Mark Wilder. It sounds great here.
It's also on Columbia/Legacy's 2000 reissue of the full The Time Has Come album.
Non-hit 1967 mono 45 version (printed 3:05, actual 3:09)
The Chambers Brothers, along with the same producer (David Rubinson), rerecorded the song and released it on 45 as Columbia 4-44414 (matrix number 135996-1). Discogs lists the release date as being Dec 26, 1967.
The 45 label makes no mention of the The Time Has Come LP, so I assume that this 3:05 45 was released before the full album.
This version is essentially lost to history. It didn't chart, and it doesn't appear on CD. The last 28 seconds of this version don't appear on any other mono version of the song, so you can't edit anything else down to get the 3:05 45 version.
Hit 1968 mono 45 version (printed 4:45, actual 4:47)
One more time! Columbia assembled yet another mono mix and released it, also with catalog number Columbia 4-44414 but a slightly different matrix number (135996-3 - note the "3" at the end). Discogs lists the release date as being after July 1968. The song hit the Hot 100 in Aug 1968, so summer 1968 certainly sounds plausible.
The 45 label says: From the Columbia LP "The Time Has Come". Discogs lists the LP release date (both stereo and mono flavors) as 1967, so this 4:45 version of the 45 was released after the full album.
This 4:45 version is the same as the 3:05 45 version, until about 2:40. At about 2:40, the 4:45 starts back up again (while the 3:05 45 version wound down).
The 4:45 45 version, in all its mono glory, appeared on CD first on Columbia's Rock Classics Of The 60's (1989). The same analog transfer is used on:- Sony's Seems Like Yesterday Vol. 6 (1990)
- Sony's Forever Soul Vol. 1 (1995)
- Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '60s Vol. 1 (1995)
Based on what's in the database, I expect that all instances of a mono version running 4:47 can trace their masterings back to Rock Classics Of The 60's.
LP version (runs about 11:03)
Discogs shows the LP being released in stereo and in mono, both in 1967. The mono LP version is lost to history. I don't know if it's a dedicated mix or a fold-down of the stereo LP version.
The stereo version turns up on CD, on reissues of the The Time Has Come album, some Chambers Brothers collections, and on a few multi-artist compilations.
Most notably, it's on DCC Compact Classics' Rock Of The 70's Vol. 5 (1992). That's surprising to me because Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991), which is basically the same disc with the same mastering but a different track order, uses an edit of the song, not the full LP version. This one song is the only difference in all of the Reelin' In The Years discs and the corresponding Rock Of The 70's discs. Interesting.
Non-hit 1989 stereo edit by Bill Inglot to mimic mono 4:45 45 version (runs 4:54)
Keep in mind that the 45s are all dedicated mixes (at least I think they are), and can't be edited down from the stereo LP version. Any stereo version of the song shorter than 11 minutes is an after-the-fact recreation. Even if the edit is correct, the recreation won't match any of the mono 45 mixes.
This 4:54 stereo edit first appeared on Rhino's Nuggets Vol. 3 aka Even More Nuggets (1989). The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 12 The Late '60s (1994)
A different analog transfer of the 4:54 stereo edit is used on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). It doesn't sound as clear as the Rhino disc, probably due to a higher-generation tape source. The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 33 The '60s Generation (2001)
The 4:54 edit has different stuff at the end of the song, compared to the 4:45 45.
Non-hit 1991 stereo edit by Steve Hoffman (runs 3:31)
This edit uses the first 2:25 of the stereo LP version, and the last 1:09 of the stereo LP version, and just deletes everything in the middle. As edits go, this one is the most straightforward to get the song down to a reasonable length. It doesn't even pretend to correspond to any of the 45 versions.
This 3:31 stereo edit first appeared on Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991).
The same edit, but different masterings, appears on Columbia/Epic/Legacy's multi-artist collections Sony Music 100 Years: Soundtrack For A Century (Box Set) and Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' (both 1999). Somehow, this edit found its way back into the Sony vaults!
Non-hit 1996 stereo edit by Bob Irwin to mimic 4:45 45 version (runs 4:51)
This 4:51 stereo edit first appeared on Columbia/Legacy's Time Has Come: Best Of The Chambers Brothers (1996). The 4:51 edit also has different stuff at the end of the song, compared to the 4:45 45.
Non-hit 1998 stereo edit to mimic mono 3:05 45 version (runs 3:09)
This edit is close in song structure to the 3:05 45, but it's clearly a different mix. Listen to the end of the opening tick-tocks, and you'll hear different stuff behind the cowbells.
This 3:09 stereo edit appears only on Varese Sarabande's On The Radio Vol. 3 (1998).
Bottom line
If it's in stereo and is shorter than 11 minutes, then it's an after-the-fact edit that won't match any of the three 45s that were released.
If you want the hit, it will be in mono. I recommend Columbia's Rock Classics Of The 60's (1989) for the 4:45 45 version.
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Over at 45cat, they show a promo 45 with the 3:05 listed
version and a SPECIAL RUSH RESERVICE on the label listed as
being released in July, 1968. Was the record company
answering requests from radio stations to reissue the short
version who perhaps didn't want to play the 4:47 version?
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Link to July 1968 promo 45rpm (3:05 listed)
https://www.45cat.com/record/nc126333us
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crapfromthepast wrote:
What a mess! Three different 45s, all mono (never mixed to stereo), an 11-minute long LP version, and a parade of non-hit stereo edits.
Let's tackle this chronologically.
Non-hit 1966 mono 45 version (printed 2:37, actual about 2:39)
This 45 came out as Columbia 4-43816 (matrix number 115801). Discogs lists the release date as being Sep 12, 1966 - two years before the song was a hit.
It turned up first on CD on Columbia/Legacy's Time Has Come: The Best Of The Chambers Brothers (1996), where it's called "Single Version One". This disc is an excellent overview of the band, produced by Bob Irwin and mastered by Mark Wilder. It sounds great here.
It's also on Columbia/Legacy's 2000 reissue of the full The Time Has Come album.
Non-hit 1967 mono 45 version (printed 3:05, actual 3:09)
The Chambers Brothers, along with the same producer (David Rubinson), rerecorded the song and released it on 45 as Columbia 4-44414 (matrix number 135996-1). Discogs lists the release date as being Dec 26, 1967.
The 45 label makes no mention of the The Time Has Come LP, so I assume that this 3:05 45 was released before the full album.
This version is essentially lost to history. It didn't chart, and it doesn't appear on CD. The last 28 seconds of this version don't appear on any other mono version of the song, so you can't edit anything else down to get the 3:05 45 version.
Hit 1968 mono 45 version (printed 4:45, actual 4:47)
One more time! Columbia assembled yet another mono mix and released it, also with catalog number Columbia 4-44414 but a slightly different matrix number (135996-3 - note the "3" at the end). Discogs lists the release date as being after July 1968. The song hit the Hot 100 in Aug 1968, so summer 1968 certainly sounds plausible.
The 45 label says: From the Columbia LP "The Time Has Come". Discogs lists the LP release date (both stereo and mono flavors) as 1967, so this 4:45 version of the 45 was released after the full album.
This 4:45 version is the same as the 3:05 45 version, until about 2:40. At about 2:40, the 4:45 starts back up again (while the 3:05 45 version wound down).
The 4:45 45 version, in all its mono glory, appeared on CD first on Columbia's Rock Classics Of The 60's (1989). The same analog transfer is used on:- Sony's Seems Like Yesterday Vol. 6 (1990)
- Sony's Forever Soul Vol. 1 (1995)
- Realm's 3-CD Greatest Hits Of The '60s Vol. 1 (1995)
Based on what's in the database, I expect that all instances of a mono version running 4:47 can trace their masterings back to Rock Classics Of The 60's.
LP version (runs about 11:03)
Discogs shows the LP being released in stereo and in mono, both in 1967. The mono LP version is lost to history. I don't know if it's a dedicated mix or a fold-down of the stereo LP version.
The stereo version turns up on CD, on reissues of the The Time Has Come album, some Chambers Brothers collections, and on a few multi-artist compilations.
Most notably, it's on DCC Compact Classics' Rock Of The 70's Vol. 5 (1992). That's surprising to me because Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991), which is basically the same disc with the same mastering but a different track order, uses an edit of the song, not the full LP version. This one song is the only difference in all of the Reelin' In The Years discs and the corresponding Rock Of The 70's discs. Interesting.
Non-hit 1989 stereo edit by Bill Inglot to mimic mono 4:45 45 version (runs 4:54)
Keep in mind that the 45s are all dedicated mixes (at least I think they are), and can't be edited down from the stereo LP version. Any stereo version of the song shorter than 11 minutes is an after-the-fact recreation. Even if the edit is correct, the recreation won't match any of the mono 45 mixes.
This 4:54 stereo edit first appeared on Rhino's Nuggets Vol. 3 aka Even More Nuggets (1989). The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 12 The Late '60s (1994)
A different analog transfer of the 4:54 stereo edit is used on Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 19 1968 Shakin' All Over (1989). It doesn't sound as clear as the Rhino disc, probably due to a higher-generation tape source. The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 33 The '60s Generation (2001)
The 4:54 edit has different stuff at the end of the song, compared to the 4:45 45.
Non-hit 1991 stereo edit by Steve Hoffman (runs 3:31)
This edit uses the first 2:25 of the stereo LP version, and the last 1:09 of the stereo LP version, and just deletes everything in the middle. As edits go, this one is the most straightforward to get the song down to a reasonable length. It doesn't even pretend to correspond to any of the 45 versions.
This 3:31 stereo edit first appeared on Sandstone's Reelin' In The Years Vol. 5 (1991).
The same edit, but different masterings, appears on Columbia/Epic/Legacy's multi-artist collections Sony Music 100 Years: Soundtrack For A Century (Box Set) and Rock: The Train Kept A Rollin' (both 1999). Somehow, this edit found its way back into the Sony vaults!
Non-hit 1996 stereo edit by Bob Irwin to mimic 4:45 45 version (runs 4:51)
This 4:51 stereo edit first appeared on Columbia/Legacy's Time Has Come: Best Of The Chambers Brothers (1996). The 4:51 edit also has different stuff at the end of the song, compared to the 4:45 45.
Non-hit 1998 stereo edit to mimic mono 3:05 45 version (runs 3:09)
This edit is close in song structure to the 3:05 45, but it's clearly a different mix. Listen to the end of the opening tick-tocks, and you'll hear different stuff behind the cowbells.
This 3:09 stereo edit appears only on Varese Sarabande's On The Radio Vol. 3 (1998).
Bottom line
If it's in stereo and is shorter than 11 minutes, then it's an after-the-fact edit that won't match any of the three 45s that were released.
If you want the hit, it will be in mono. I recommend Columbia's Rock Classics Of The 60's (1989) for the 4:45 45 version. |
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So there was no official stereo version that matches the mono 45. Interesting. Thanks Ron for breaking that down.
Edited by PopArchivist on 20 November 2024 at 7:19pm
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eriejwg wrote:
Over at 45cat, they show a promo 45 with the 3:05 listed
version and a SPECIAL RUSH RESERVICE on the label listed as
being released in July, 1968. Was the record company
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I was just a weekend DJ at a station that didn't even play that song (though we did play the follow-up "I Can't Turn You Loose") in the summer of
'68, but my suspicion is that someone at Columbia really believed in that record and launched a concentrated push to get airplay for it.
I don't believe I've ever heard any station play the 3 minute version...even WRKO which played a LOT of house edits at the time played the full
4:47 single. The only reason I even knew the short version existed is that a friend of mine bought the 45 and that's what he got.
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