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Paul Haney
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The books finally arrived at our offices today!
We will begin filling and shipping orders on Tuesday
(7/23).
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Paul Haney wrote:
The books finally arrived at our offices today!
We will begin filling and shipping orders on Tuesday
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Thanks Paul. Can't wait!
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I hope this isn’t asking too much but here goes. I’m curious as to how many
songs charted on the Hot 100 in the 1970’s. Going by the yearly totals on
here, it comes to 5,345. However, in Dave Kinzer’s book,”The 70’s Music
Compendium, he says it’s 5,344. I’m curious as to what the new Pop Annual
book has.
1970=636
1971=620 &nbs p;
1972=584
1973=531
1974=493
1975=559
1976=527
1977=469
1978=451
1979=475
This is the link to an article about the book. Unfortunately this book doesn’t
list every song.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater-dave-
kinzer-completes-70s-mu/
The new book looks great! I own many other Record Research books, but
never a Pop Annual one. I just can’t right now as I’m disabled,fighting to get
on disability, so I can have my spinal surgery. Sorry if I was being too
personal. Thank you in advance.
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For the record, here's the total Hot 100 counts for the
1970s, according to the new Pop Annual:
1970 - 634
1971 - 619
1972 - 583
1973 - 530
1974 - 492
1975 - 558
1976 - 527
1977 - 469
1978 - 450
1979 - 475
Total - 5337
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Ok great! Thank you so much! 😀
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I recently received the new Pop Annual, and I'm thrilled to see the corrections. I saw one thing, however, that would be a "D'Oh!" moment in that on Page 6 the debut date for the "Hot 100" is shown as 8/4/1990 instead of 1958. To a lesser degree, the typeface on Page 380 is different. I recall when the sample pages were shown the "In the Headlines" section for 1970-1974 showed that The Jeffersons premiered in 1974 when it was actually in 1975, so I was glad to not see that in the finished product. Keep up the good work, Paul, and may the company thrive for many more years.
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That wrong date on Page 6 is strange. The intro pages were pretty much copied over from the 2016 Pop Annual, with just some minor
tweaks. Somewhere along the line it obviously got changed. Maybe a gremlin?? At least in the Hot 100 explanation further down the
page all the dates appear to be correct. Again, the pitfalls of doing print books!
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I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the
1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100
library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song
that recharted with the same version, only count as one.
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Due to Joel changing his mind on re-entries over the years, the numbers can differ slightly from edition to edition. Not sure which edition
Ron used when compiling his library.
Edited by Paul Haney on 25 August 2024 at 3:28am
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To me, if the exact version was re-released: (“You Can Call Me Al”, “When I’m
With You”, “Into The Night”), that should count as one. If the song was re-
released as a shorter version: (“In Your Eyes”), the regular album version (I
think “Red, Red Wine” is the only one to do this in the 80’s) or a remixed
version (“I’m So Excited”, “Relax”, “Every Little Kiss”) it should count as 2
different entries.
But getting back to the 1970’s. Most re-releases were released with the
same version, unless it was released again as a live version. Going by
memory, I believe “Dream On”, “Layla” and “Bell Bottom Blues” were
released in both album and single versions. “One Tin Soldier” was released
as a re-recording and I’m not even gonna try to explain the 3 versions of
“Think” James Brown.
Counting all charted 1970’s songs, I got 5,351 but as stated above, it’s 5,337,
which would make sense as I counted 14 songs that charted twice with the
same version.
1. Beach Boys, The-Sail On Sailor (#79, ‘73, #49, ‘75)
2. Bowie, David-Changes (#66, ‘72, #41, ‘75)
3. Collins, Judy-Send In The Clowns (#36, ‘75, #19, ‘77)
4. Coven-One Tin Soldier (The Legend Of Billy Jack) (#26, ‘71, #79, ‘73)
5. Electric Light Orchestra-Showdown (#53, ‘74, #59, ‘76)
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer-Lucky Man (#48, ‘71, #51, ‘73)
7. Hall, Daryl & John Oates-She’s Gone (#60, ‘74, #7, ‘76)
8. Head, Murray-Superstar (#74, ‘70, #14, ‘71)
9. Heart-Crazy On You (#35, ‘76, #62, ‘78)
10. Miles, Buddy-Them Changes (#81, ‘70, #62, ‘71)
11. Newton-John, Olivia-I Honestly Love You (#1, ‘74, #48, ‘77)
12. Pickett, Bobby “Boris” , And The Crypt-Kickers-Monster Mash
(#91, ‘70, #10, ‘73)
13. Think-Once You Understand (#23, ‘72, #53, ‘74)
14.-Disco Inferno (#53, ‘77, #11, ‘78)
I’m also assuming the highest chart position determines what year the song
is included in. My apologies if I’m mistaken on any of this. Thanks everyone!
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Some of those re-entries are accounted for in the latest Pop Annual. I got ambitious and compared the current version (1950-2023) with the counts
in Ron's Library and found the following discrepancies:
1970 - Ron (636) / Annual (634) - Ron has "Superstar" by Murray Head (#437) and "Maggie" by Redbone (#472)
1971 - Ron (620) / Annual (619) - Ron has "Layla" by Derek & The Dominos (#303)
1972 - Ron (584) / Annual (583) - Ron has "That's The Way God Planned It" by Billy Preston (#377)
1973 - Ron (531) / Annual (530) - Ron has "Lucky Man" by Emerson, Lake & Palmer (#292)
1974 - Ron (493) / Annual (492) - Ron has "Love That Really Counts" by Natural Four listed twice at #491 & #492
1975 - Ron (559) / Annual (558) - Ron has "Send In The Clowns" by Judy Collins (#235)
1976 - Ron (527) / Annual (527)
1977 - Ron (469) / Annual (469)
1978 - Ron (451) / Annual (450) - Ron has "Crazy On You" by Heart (#332)
1979 - Ron (475) / Annual (475)
By my count, that's only 8 differences, not 14 (and one of those is a duplicate by Ron).
So I'm not sure where you came up with 14???
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Ok I know what happened.
I had a total of 5351.
Ron had a total of 5345.
Dave Kinzer counted 5344.
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2020/jan/18/5344-songs-l ater-
dave-
kinzer-completes-70s-mu/
He’s the one that helped me years ago for the amount of songs that charted
in the 80’s.
To say the least, I was pretty much confused regarding the recharted songs.
When I counted 14 songs that recharted with the same version, and since I
was off by 14, I thought I found my mistake.
I thought Billy Preston’s “That’s The Way God Planned it”, would count as a
70’s song, but seeing as the re-release charted lower, it makes sense.
I’m glad you were able to clear this up for me! 😀👍
Edited by music4life75 on 26 August 2024 at 11:52am
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If anything, this proves that counting the hits is an inexact science at best. I wish Joel would've just picked
a formula for re-entries and stayed with it, but it seemed like he changed his mind with each subsequent
edition. I didn't want to make any changes for the most recent Pop Annual, because I wanted the info to match
the 2-volume set of Top Pop Singles books that we recently did.
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Before I ask my question, let me first say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track
collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion
of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back.
Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the
various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something.
On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties",
two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The
first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD
says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade"
by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem
with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953.
Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp -
Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27
in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash
Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that
way.
So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was
there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below
the 20 position chart? Just curious.
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JMD1961 wrote:
Before I ask my question, let me first
say that how much
the new volume has helped me catalogue my CD track
collection. My main reasons for buying was the inclusion
of the check off boxes. Thanks for bringing them back.
Now, the question. I'm going through my CDs from the
various Bill Buster labels and I've noticed something.
On a CD titled "Rare Pop Instrumentals Of The Fifties",
two tracks are listed as being released in 1953. The
first is "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson, which the CD
says peaked at #21. The second is "Melancholy Serenade"
by Jackie Gleason, which peaked at #22. The only problem
with this is that the Annual only goes to #20 for 1953.
Another track not listed in the Annual is "Look Sharp -
Be Sharp" by the Boston Pops Orchestra, which went to #27
in 1954, but that one is clearly listed as being a Cash
Box peak. Neither of the other tracks is listed that
way.
So, where did the 1953 chart positions come from? Was
there a sub-chart, like a bubbling under, that went below
the 20 position chart? Just curious.
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Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories
1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard
Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both)
of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did
the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual
Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings
came from for the latest edition).
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Paul Haney wrote:
Those peak positions came from the original Pop Memories
1890-1954 book. That book used Cash Box and Billboard
Regional charts, so the positions come from one (or both)
of those. Joel never cared for that, which is why he did
the Pop Hits 1940-54 book, which just reflects the actual
Billboard charts (and where the 1950-54 Annual rankings
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music4life75 wrote:
I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100
library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one. |
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Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for
the difference in numbers.
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When I assembled the Hot 100 folders, I used the rankings from Pop Annual 1955-2011. (Any errors were my own!)
I'm currently re-assembling them using the rankings from Pop Annual 1950-2023 and using a lot more potential sources for the tracks. At present, I've only redone 1997-1999. It will likely be a few years before I can revisit the 1970s folders.
Any differences between the 2011 book (my original numberings) and the 2023 book arise from how low-charting re-entries are treated. In general, I think the 2011 tended to list the low-charting re-entries, while the 2023 tended to not list them. I'm sure that Paul used his discretion regarding whether to list a re-charting hit in a later year, or to leave it out.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 29 September 2024 at 2:25pm
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LunarLaugh wrote:
music4life75 wrote:
I’m a little confused as to the total number of songs that charted in the 1970’s. The numbers are different than what’s represented on Ron’s Hot 100
library. I’m just wondering if recharts are handled differently, as in any song that recharted with the same version, only count as one. |
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Doesn't Ron also have multiple versions of certain songs in his library (i.e. a non-hit original rendition by another artist or LP and 45 versions)? That could account for
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When I decided to list every 1980's song that charted, I saw an error that Ron immediately corrected. The count him and I have is 4,172. This includes all re-charts.
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