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I'm trying to line up all the 45 versions that I need from the Osmond family,
and I am lacking original 45s. Upon looking at the photos of 45s on eBay, I
don't see where any of them are marked as being in stereo. Are any
of the Osmonds, Donny & Marie, Donny or Marie's original 45s from 1970-
1976 in stereo, or are they all mono?
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Paul, Here's what I have. Bold type indicates that either "stereo" or "mono" is printed on the label. These are all MGM promo copies, save for one stock copy:
14193 "One Bad Apple" - stereo/stereo
14227 "Sweet And Innocent" (Donnie) - mono/mono
14295 "Yo-Yo" - mono
14324 "Down By The Lazy River - mono
14424 "Why" / "Lonely Boy" [stock copy] (Donny) - stereo/stereo
14562 "Goin' Home" - mono
14735 "I'm Leaving It [All] Up To You (D&M) - mono/mono
14746 "Love Me For A Reason" - mono/mono
14765 "Morning Side Of The Mountain" (D&M) - stereo/mono (see note below)
14791 "The Proud One" - stereo/mono
14807 "Make The World Go Away" (D&M) - stereo/mono
Note: Although the stereo side of "Morning Side Of The Mountain" is designated "stereo" on the label and has "STEREO" etched in the dead wax, it plays mono.
Edited by Yah Shure on 07 April 2008 at 5:24pm
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I think the vinyl LP version of "Sweet and Innocent" is stereo. The file I have of it originally came from the LP source.
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John, I just have just pulled out and listened to the original LP that "Sweet And Innocent" appeared on back in 1971, "The Donny Osmond Album" (SE-4782). Despite stating prominently on the LP label, "STEREO", the "Sweet And Innocent" track appears in mono, with a listed time of (2:49), but an actual time of (3:01). FYI, the other nine tracks on this LP are, in fact, stereo. Personally, I have always felt it to be very risky policy to attempt to try to speculate as to what the original source of an "acquired" music file might have actually been.
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I believe what happened was the Sweet and Innocent was a stereo track on the OSMONDS LP, but when it was decided to give Donny his own 45 and album, MGM remixed the track with different instruments to mono for the Donny 45 and didn't bother making it stereo for the Donny album. So the song is in stereo on the Osmonds LP but it's a different treatment.
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Bill is correct. The source of my file is The Osmonds (MGM SE4724)
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Here are 3 more: (all promos...even back then I wasn't about to actually BUY an Osmonds record)
14259: Double Lovin' (mono)
14285: Go Away Little Girl--Donny (label says stereo, but it's mono)
14322: I Knew You When--Donny (mono)
Also, my copy of "One Bad Apple" has OBA on both sides in stereo, but has the blue & gold stock label, not the yellow promo one.
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eriejwg wrote:
| I think the vinyl LP version of "Sweet and Innocent" is stereo. The file I have of it originally came from the LP source. |
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I apologize, John. Your earlier "it came from the LP source" statement made it sound to me like only one LP source had existed, and I knew I had "The Donny Osmond Album" 1971 LP. I didn't know that the track had also been included on the family's earlier-released "Osmonds" LP as well, which was a rather unconventional scenario.
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No problem, Jim! Sometimes, I can be as clear as mud! LOL.
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PaulEschen wrote:
Are any
of the Osmonds, Donny & Marie, Donny or Marie's original 45s from 1970-
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I'm pretty sure my copy of "Deep Purple" (14840) was in stereo. Wasn't that their final release on MGM?
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Thanks for all your help and input. I was able to procure a few Osmond
45s of my own, and can add to the list the following:
Hey Girl (Donny)--mono
Puppy Love (Donny)--mono
Young Love (Donny)--mono
It's becoming increasingly apparent that, for me at least, the most
difficult period to be sure I have the right 45 version is 1968-1975. It's
because one can never be sure if the 45s from that period are in mono or
stereo. (Looking at eBay 45 photos has helped.) Some artists (or labels)
seem to go back and forth, a la the Osmonds. I know there are some
labels that were slow to convert to stereo 45s (Bell, Motown, Warner)
while others (RCA, Elektra) released singles either way as early as '68. The
earliest standard-release stereo 45s I have are the Doors' "Hello, I Love
You" and Judy Collins' "Both Sides Now". It would be nice if Pat could list
if each single was originally in mono or stereo, and I'm sure that as soon
as Pat is ready to give up any semblance of a personal life, and is able to
bend time to have more than 24 hours in a day, he'll oblige me! Again,
thanks for everyone's help.
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Paul, just to complicate things even more, a few commercial 45s during that time frame were available in either stereo or mono. The copy of Blue Cheer's "Summertime Blues" that I bought when it was new was in very wide stereo, with what appears to be a CSG-processed groove pattern. To my ears, the mix never quite sounded right (weak bass) compared to what was being played on the AM top-40s. I found an original mono copy in the '80s, and found that the vocals were drier. Both of those commercial copies had identical labels, without any stereo or mono indication on the labels. A "2-" prefix was stamped in the stereo copy's dead wax matrix number. The B-sides of both copies ("Out Of Focus") was in mono.
It's funny that you should mention "Both Sides Now," since my original 1968 copy plays mono, as does a circa 1990 Spun Gold reissue 45. Yet both copies state "stereo" on the label.
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There is a current single disc greatest hits CD that has the hits in stereo that are mastered to sound more like the mono singles. I wish I had the name of it.
Otherwise, the best way to get the mono versions is to get the 45s. "Double Lovin'" is much better in mono anyway. It's a different mix.
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I can't believe none of their original albums have ever been released on CD. Course, it's Universal, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me. A fairly well-known mastering engineer once told me, "Universal has no interest in their back catalog."
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Ooh, you know what? Their first six albums are coming out as two-fers in the UK on April 21st:
Osmonds/Homemade
Love Me for a Reason/I'm Still Gonna Need You
Crazy Horses/The Plan
I believe this is the CD debut for most of these, believe it or not.
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Brian W. wrote:
| I can't believe none of their original albums have ever been released on CD. Course, it's Universal, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me. A fairly well-known mastering engineer once told me, "Universal has no interest in their back catalog." |
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Oh, I can believe it. It's not always about what will or won't sell, it's often about what the person in charge likes and doesn't like.
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It's not often I side with the record companies, but I really don't see much of a demand for the Osmonds. How many people want to be reminded just how cheezy the early 70s were?
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I ordered "Double Lovin'" yesterday, and before I order "Yo-Yo" and "Love Me For A Reason", can someone say the differences between the 45 vs. LP versions?
Can the 45 versions be recreated from the LP with edit points?
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Hykker wrote:
| It's not often I side with the record companies, but I really don't see much of a demand for the Osmonds. How many people want to be reminded just how cheezy the early 70s were? |
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Not the right comment for a collector forum like this.
eriejwg wrote:
I ordered "Double Lovin'" yesterday, and before I order "Yo-Yo" and "Love Me For A Reason", can someone say the differences between the 45 vs. LP versions?
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The "Double Lovin'" mono version is a different mix, so it's worth it.
"Yo-Yo" sounds solid in mono, but I detect no obvious differences in the mix.
There are no edited versions.
Edited by The Hits Man on 15 April 2008 at 11:25am
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