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my commercial 45 for the jimi hendrix experience song "all
along the watchtower" issued as reprise 0767 states the run
time on the label as 4:01 but actually runs 3:58 like most
of the db entries....this 45 info s/b added to the db....
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Update: this one goes on the long list of dedicated mono
mixes for the 45.
I really thought this was a fold-down for the 45 version,
they really sound very similar. But when I sync'd them
together a lot of small details were not matching.
Tambourines are potted up or down at different times. The
drum echos do not match up for most of the song.
I also found another giveaway. At 2:00 in the LP version
when the trippy guitar loops start, the first note at
2:00 in the LP version is at full volume. But in the 45,
that note is missing at 2:00 and the guitar loop fades up
at 2:01.
For the rest of the song, the echoey vocal effects fade
in and out differently as well.
Now the big question, has the mono mix ever appeared on
an import CD?
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Ohhhhh Wait a minute. Hold the phone. I was using a re-
issue single as my reference. Since the mixes didn't
match, I naturally assumed it was the mono 45 mix!
But then I noticed something about the way the guitar
fading in and out on the 45 sounded a lot like ONE
channel of the stereo mix. Just for kicks, I sync'd only
the right channel of the stereo mix with the 45, and I
got a perfect match. Of all the bizarre things.
So this mono re-issue is nothing but the right channel of
the stereo mix. WEIRD!
So assume my above report is *false* until I can hear a
real dub of the original 45.
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Hey Mark, please check your email and let us know your findings.
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Mark, I found a quote from John McDermott, in an Examiner.com article.
He was in charge of the early 2014 mono vinyl reissues of the 1st 2 JHE
LPs, which were both mixed and released in mono and stereo as currents.
But the 3rd and final JHE LP, "Electric Ladyland", which included
".....Watchtower" on it, was never mixed to mono by Hendrix.
I believe McDermott makes a poor judgement call when he says, "there
was a fold down mix done for it, but it was not done by Jimi. So it doesn't
have any real historical value; it's more a curiosity than anything else."
To me, his last statement sounds like they are trying to justify their own
decision to not make any "Ladyland" legit 1968 mono mixes (done by
Hendrix or not) available - and how, by the way, does McDermott know
for 100% sure the mono singles from it were fold downs - sounds to me
like he doesn't even know for sure who actually *did* mix any songs to
mono from "...Ladyland".
And while Hendrix already had several big UK hits, Reprise USA had held
off on issuing the "Smash Hits" LP already out in England, since he really
hadn't had any big Top 40 hits here yet. So wouldn't that "red herring" be
even more reason for the powers-that-be at Reprise US to at least
consider doing some "mono mix tinkering", to try and help Hendrix finally
break through at US Top 40 with "....Watchtower?" Now I'm not saying that
they actually did do a dedicated mix - it surely could be a fold-down -
but to me, McDermott's comments left me with more questions after
reading it than I had before - never a good thing. Like Aaron just said,
Mark, please let us know what you find after hearing an original 45 dub.
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I went ahead and compared the 45 with a fold-down of the stereo, and to my ears, they are note-for-note identical. I'll be curious to know if Mark comes the same conclusion.
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Ok, finally had a chance to do a proper sync for this,
and Aaron is 100% correct. The 45 is merely a fold-down
of the stereo. There's no additional compression either.
I did need to pitch the CD source down a little, my CD
source was "Smash Hits".
Other than that they are identical. So sorry for
stirring up a big ruckus over nothing! :-D
At least now we know for sure. Like Jim, I'm kind of
surprised they didn't choose to do a dedicated "AM ready"
mono mix. But then, I wonder did they plan on getting ANY
AM radio play. This genre of "acid rock" was still
shockingly new.
Speaking of acid, I assume the engineer who mastered a
re-issue single using one channel of the stereo mix
dropped something before work that day.
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MMathews wrote:
Like Jim, I'm kind of
surprised they didn't choose to do a dedicated "AM ready"
mono mix. But then, I wonder did they plan on getting ANY
AM radio play. This genre of "acid rock" of still
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I never realized that the reissue single was anything other
than the original release...then again JH is not one of my
favorite artists, probably grabbed the reissue single from
a "dime bin" to fill out the collection.
I don't ever recall hearing it on the radio back in
'68...we sure didn't play it where I was! Clearly it must
have gotten some to make it to #20 in BB.
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