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Madonna's Into The Groove was everywhere in the summer of 1985, despite never officially charting.
Brian W. did the following excellent research, found it the "Madonna - The 45 Versions On CD" thread:
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Into the Groove – Though not eligible to chart on the Billboard or Cash Box pop charts at the time, because it was only issued as the B-side of the 12-inch single of "Angel," "Into the Groove" nonetheless was a Top Ten hit. It climbed to #6 on the Radio & Records airplay chart (which was virtually interchangeable with Billboard's airplay chart until around 1991), and was #1 for six straight weeks out of all singles, not just 12-inchers, on Variety's almost completely forgotten and completely sales-based singles chart, which ran from Jan. 1976 through Jan. 1986. (It hit #1 in the June 26, 1985 issue.) Variety ranked "Into the Groove" and "Angel" separately, apparently assuming that most people were buying the 12-inch for "Into the Groove." (The 12-inch was certified gold; the 7-inch containing only "Angel" was not.)
The single version of "Into the Groove" was actually a demo that was remixed and rush-released as a single, so Madonna had it restructured and remixed again when she included it on her "You Can Dance" collection two years later. The Q-Sound mix on "Immaculate Collection" was a shorter version of that remix. The original mix of the song has been issued on a U.S. BackTrax CD single, coupled with "Dress You Up." It can still be found cheaply (WEA, UPC 075992-18782-4). It has also been issued as a CD single in the UK, which is still in print (WEA, UPC 075992-03522-4), though an older German CD with a different track lineup also exists (WEA UPC 0 7599-21141-2 7). It's also available from Japan on both the "CD Singles" box and the still-in-print 5-inch maxi-single called "Material Girl, Angel and Into the Groove" (catalog WPCP-5063, no UPC on my copy).
But it made its very first CD appearance way back in 1985 on the German CD version of the "Like a Virgin" album, sandwiched between "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" and "Dress You Up," Sire 925181-2, UPC 0 7599-25181-2 3. |
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Here is my question: has anyone compared the sound quality between the various copies of "Into The Groove" referenced above?
I ask because I have the version from the Japanese CD singles box set and while it sounds fine playing the file directly to my loudspeakers, once it runs through my audio processing and then is compressed to 64 kbps AAC+ and then collapsed down to mono on my Amazon Echo Dot, I'd swear I hear phase issues.
I've tried folding down the original file in Adobe Audition and the phase issues (or what sound like phase issues to me) are not audible. It's something about this track + my airchain + data compression + fold down because I never noticed any problems listening to my stream in stereo.
If one of the other sources sounds better... heck, even if it's just a different analog transfer to the digital format... I'd be interested in trying it and seeing if the problems I'm having disappear.
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To Gene:
Sadly, I can't answer your question, but I remember in
the 80s listening to the dull dub on the German 'Like
A Virgin' CD and MUCH preferring the sound on the U.S.
12-inch!
What IS the best sounding dub of "Into The Groove"?
Is it good-sounding on the U.S. BackTrax CD single?
What a great Madonna hit. I remember to first play it
in the club I was working, I had to dub it off a promo
VHS soundtrack of 'Desperately Seeking Susan' and then
distributing the dub to the PD of local CHR WGFM Tom
Parker to play on the air. It was almost a month
before it finally made the commercial debut on the B-
side of the "Angel" 12-inch.
It was an instant success, blowing away the response
to "Angel" (which was still pretty good).
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I can only add what SOLD the most in my record store. The best selling CD single was Madonna - Into The Groove
Germany Sire 7599-21141-2. It had, Track 1) Into the Groove 4:40, Track 2) Who's That Girl (Extended Version) 6:27
Track 3) Causing A Commotion (Silver Screen Mix) 6:33 with a copywrite of 1989 WEA Musik. This 4:40 version is the
same one that was released in the U.S. as a Back to Back Hits 45 RPM single (GSRE 0539) with 'Dress You Up' on the
B side. This was released to stores on 4/25/1986. It was discontinued on 11/2/1990. In that time period we sold 117
copies mostly to mobile DJ's and bars that had juke boxes. In very small type it said 'From the Sire 12" Maxi-
single 0-20335'. I would consider the 4:40 version the 'Hit'. -Bill.
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Wow, ChicagoBill, how did you keep track of those availability dates and exact number of copies sold?
There are at least two versions of the GSRE 0539 single. The typesetting is different on them, and one of them has a different
publisher for "Dress You Up". I believe House of Fun Music/BMI is the original publisher and Lost in Music/ASCAP is on later copies.
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Mike, All of our "Oldies" (anything not currently on the
Billboard charts) had the Artist, A-side, B-side, and
stock
number on a 7" X 8" 'Stock' card that we used to keep
track of how many sold and when. This gave us an idea on
how
many to order, etc. We considered 'Dress You Up' as a 'B'
side of a more superior selling 'Into the Groove'. -Bill.
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ChicagoBill wrote:
This 4:40 version is the
same one that was released in the U.S. as a Back to
Back Hits 45 RPM single (GSRE 0539) with 'Dress You
Up' on the B side.. |
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Oddly enough, the exact same thing happened in Canada.
The Canadian record company didn't release it as a
domestic single (I ended up buying a UK import that a
lot of stores carried), but it was released on an
oldies series/reissue, also with "Dress You Up" on the
B-side (label no. Sire GS 45207 - the GS stands for
their gold standard series).
It was quite common at that time for Canadian labels
to closely follow the US labels.
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I sometimes forget how red-hot Madonna was at that time.
Material Girl, Crazy For You, Angel and Into The Groove
were all Top 40 radio hits nearly simultaneously!
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Paul Haney wrote:
I sometimes forget how red-hot
Madonna was at that time.
Material Girl, Crazy For You, Angel and Into The
Groove
were all Top 40 radio hits nearly simultaneously!
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From the initial release of "Everybody", Madonna was
absolutely huge in mainstream dance clubs. Major
records included "Physical Attraction", "Lucky Star"
almost a year before it was worked CHR, LP cuts like
"Think Of Me" and "Over And Over", etc.
As big in the clubs as the Michael Jackson phenomenon
was in 1979-1983.
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Paul Haney wrote:
I sometimes forget how red-hot Madonna was at that time.
Material Girl, Crazy For You, Angel and Into The Groove
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If I recall Over and Over from the 1984 Like A Virgin album also was played and Dress You Up was also a top 5 hit in the U.S. Like a Virgin got massive airplay and hit #1 in late 1984 and was also huge on radio in early '85!
It still baffles the mind how a guaranteed hit such as Into the Groove is not promoted as a single in 1985 or even early 1986. That and Back In Time by Huey Lewis and The News are MAJOR hits that could have easily been top 10. Not charting these huge hits would never happen in 2021 with the way Billboard has it set up now.
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PopArchivist wrote:
It still baffles the mind how a
guaranteed hit such as Into the Groove is not promoted
as a single in 1985 or even early 1986. That and Back
In Time by Huey Lewis and The News are MAJOR hits that
could have easily been top 10. Not charting these huge
hits would never happen in 2021 with the way Billboard
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A possible answer is that at that time the record
companies made most of their money off of standard
album sales. The companies didn't want to cannibalize
their current album sales so they wouldn't allow (or
pay for) any promotion of a cut that wasn't on the
current album.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
PopArchivist wrote:
It still baffles the mind how a
guaranteed hit such as Into the Groove is not promoted
as a single in 1985 or even early 1986. That and Back
In Time by Huey Lewis and The News are MAJOR hits that
could have easily been top 10. Not charting these huge
hits would never happen in 2021 with the way Billboard
has it set up now. |
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A possible answer is that at that time the record
companies made most of their money off of standard
album sales. The companies didn't want to cannibalize
their current album sales so they wouldn't allow (or
pay for) any promotion of a cut that wasn't on the
current album. |
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Given that both songs were from movie soundtracks, there may have been legal reasons these weren't released as a
single.
Bon Jovi's "Never Say Goodbye" got a lot of airplay as an album cut around the same time as well as a Jermaine
Jackson song that didn't see single release until it had long since faded (and then only as a B side).
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