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"Once In A Lifetime" by Talking Heads was definitely edited on the DJ 45 (3:27), but was it the same on the commercial? Does anyone know where the edit points in the song are? I've never been able to find anything except the (4:19) LP version on CD.
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aaronk wrote:
| "Once In A Lifetime" by Talking Heads was definitely edited on the DJ 45 (3:27), but was it the same on the commercial? Does anyone know where the edit points in the song are? I've never been able to find anything except the (4:19) LP version on CD. |
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The commercial 45 was definitely the edited version, as I bought one back in 1980. Basically, the spoken part with the echoes in the middle of the recording are
excised. I'm not sure what else was edited.
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There's a small edit at the end as well. Byrne says "time isn't holding us, time isn't after us, same as it ever was, same as it ever was" and then there's an edit into Byrne's "letting the days go by" vocal. Since I don't have the 45, I tried recalling the video, which uses the single edit, to make the cuts (I did okay, but could've done better :) ).
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I actually got my hands on this 45 and I figured out where the edits are. If anyone is interested, I can post my findings.
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Please feel free. As I said, I did an OK job but could've done better (for me the trickiest edit was the one in the middle).
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hey.......once in a lifetime peak at number 91........i thought this was a TOP 40 site and not a top 91 site.......just kiddin'
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yeah, yeah... good music is good music.
OK, here's the edits:
The first one happens at (1:46). This is a tricky one because it doesn't happen on the first count of the measure. Right after the last "same as it ever was," it cuts past the verse about the "water at the bottom of the ocean." You should cut to about (2:19) where the chorus repeats for a second time. Again, you have to make the edit right before the word "letting" and not on the first count of the measure.
There's one other edit that is also somewhat abrupt. It's at (3:41) on the LP version, which cuts to the first count on the measure at (3:57), right after "here comes a twister." The reason it sounds abrupt is because the "s" in the word "was" is cut off at the 3:41 mark.
To be honest, the LP version has some awkward sounding edits. I've actually made an edit myself just to get rid of the bad hatchet job that someone did to that song. The one that always threw me is right at the beginning before the first verse starts; there's an edit right in the middle of a cymbol hit. This is how it is on both the 45 and LP version.
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I wanted to revisit this thread, because, upon hearing the video on YouTube compared to my 45 (which is a UK pressing), there is a slight difference in the edit point at 1:46. Also, the 45 is sped up compared to the album and video. This is probably a case where someone re-edited the audio to lay on top of the video, and they just made a slight error. But just in case the UK and US versions differ by one drum beat, I thought I'd bring it up.
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Sorry to drag this thread up again, but I need a point clarified: the version of the song you are talking about editing is the STUDIO version from 1981's "Remain In Light," correct?
Because THAT version failed to even make the Hot 100 in the U.S.; it was the live version from "Stop Making Sense" that made it to #91 in 1984.
...Anybody know the length of the 1984 promo; was the live version edited for the single release, or was the album version the single version as well?
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I have a promo 45 for the live version from 1986 (I believe it used the same catalog # as the 1984 45 - Sire 29163) as well as stock copy. The stock and one side of the promo has a listed time of 4:34 (indicated as lp version). The other side of the promo has a 3:27 edit of the live version.
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NightAire wrote:
Sorry to drag this thread up again, but I need a point clarified: the version of the song you are talking about editing is the STUDIO version from 1981's "Remain In Light," correct?
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Correct.
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Yes, even though it wasn't a Hot 100 hit, the studio version still gets a
significant amount of airplay on "classic hits" formats. I definitely have heard
it on Jack FM here in Dallas on more than one occasion. I don't recall ever
hearing the live version when the song gets played on the radio.
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Cmmbase, what's interesting about your 4:34 LP version is that the version I turned up with runs 5:32 from crowd fade in to crowd fade out.
I assume this is the album version, but I can't confirm my source on this one (too many files scattered across too many hard drives).
Would you be able to time your copy?
Also, if as you stated the flip side is an edit of the live version, could you post the edit points here? I edited the live version to approximate the DJ edit above, and it ended up running just at 4 minutes.
Aaron, I agree that what I hear today is the studio version; I don't remember hearing the live version on the radio, but wouldn't it HAVE to have been played more than the studio version in the 80s for it to have charted and the studio version to have not?
Thanks, everyone, for your help on this! My wife thinks I'm ridiculous. :-\
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Thanks to Chuck (THANK YOU CHUCK!!!), I can now confirm that the '84 7" 45 of Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime (live) WAS edited from the album version.
The "A" side basically takes out the "water at the bottom of the ocean" verse mentioned above, and runs real close to 4:43 (I think the crowd may fade in and out faster).
The "B" side trims it even further than I did on MY radio edit / guess, taking it down to right about 3:26. I got the start point right (on the beat, like the studio single) but it takes out half of the intro, part of a chorus about halfway through... anyway, it really trims it down.
For completeness, I'll figure out the edit points over the next day or two and post them here... then this post can sink back down into the depths of the message board, waiting to be discovered by the NEXT person who wants the edit of the live version of the '84 single of this song. :-D
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NightAire wrote:
Aaron, I agree that what I hear today is the studio
version; I don't remember hearing the live version on the radio, but wouldn't
it HAVE to have been played more than the studio version in the 80s for it to
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I actually don't remember hearing this song at all on the radio in the '80s,
but I was pretty young when it came out. Since it was a really low charting
song, it might be possible that its peak position was fueled by sales only.
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NightAire wrote:
Aaron, I agree that what I hear today is the studio version; I don't remember hearing the live version on the radio, but wouldn't it HAVE to have been played more than the studio version in the 80s for it to have charted and the studio version to have not?
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The song was heavily played on MTV upon its debut in 1981. Over the years, its become somewhat of an MTV classic (mostly due to the video charting on many MTV all-time countdowns).
Check out this link:
Top 13 songs from MTV's first day
Edited by DJghr1 on 22 January 2012 at 2:40pm
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NightAire wrote:
| For completeness, I'll figure out the edit points over the next day or two and post them here... then this post can sink back down into the depths of the message board, waiting to be discovered by the NEXT person who wants the edit of the live version of the '84 single of this song. :-D |
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Well, it looks as if I am that person!
NightAire, did you ever figure out and make a note of the edit points for the commercial 45 and/or promo 45 versions?
Interestingly, the live version was the only version of this song I ever heard on the radio here in NZ during the 1980s. I wasn't even aware that there was a studio version until sometime in the 1990s.
Edited by Bwci Bo on 17 March 2015 at 7:23pm
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Bwci Bo, I think I must have let this one fall through
the cracks, as it appears I'm still playing my 4-minute
"homebrew."
I need to go back over Chuck's copy and figure out the
edit points... then, I need to correct what we're
playing!
One caveat: I work 4, 10 hour wk days in a row, and they
start today, so I will be M.I.A. for the most part for
the next four days... I say that to say I will TRY to
remember to get back to this, but I may need a *bump* to
make sure I do it.
You can reach me via email at (no spaces) tulsa savage at
g mail dot com.
Thanks for bringing this back up! I'm ashamed I didn't
follow through on this...
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Thanks NightAire. I'll flick you an email.
Something I noticed while researching the live version of Once In A Lifetime is that several (if not all) of the tracks on vinyl and cassette copies of the Stop Making Sense album were edited to some extent, compared to CD copies where they are fully intact. The live version of Once In A Lifetime runs roughly a minute longer on my CD than it does on the vinyl copy I used to own.
Another difference is that each track was separated by a short silence on my vinyl LP (ie the crowd noise faded right out after each track). I'm not sure if it's the same on original pressings of the CD, but on my CD copy (which is a 1999 reissue with bonus tracks), the tracks are in a different order to the original LP and are segued together.
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I'll do my best to describe the promo edit points. I'm
working with a .WAV file, not the original CD, so I'm not
100% on how the CD tracks... my .WAV file both fades in
and fades out, so that may affect your edit points.
Also, I will posting edit points "work in progress"
style... in other words, you edit :25 - :30 in the file,
then from THAT file you edit from :07 - :15, and so on.
I hope this makes sense!!!
The first edit chops off the opening keyboards. Edit
everything before 21 seconds off of the beginning so your
file starts with the downbeat (and guitar strike).
Next, take out 0:07 - 0:14, editing on the downbeat,
leaving the last two guitar notes before the lyrics
start.
Then, edit between 1:22 and 1:30, starting on the bass
note. This eliminates 4 "same as it ever was"s.
This next one is a two-part edit, and I had to work
backwards to figure out what went where. I'm sure
somebody smarter could figure it out going forwards.
#1 - Starting at 1:42, on the 3rd bass guitar lick,
right before lyrics, edit from there to 2:29 on the 3rd
bass guitar lick right before the lyrics "may ask
yourself / what is that beautiful house..."
#2 - Take out 1:30 - 1:38, again starting on the 3rd bass
lick.
Next, take out 2:39 to 2;46. I did the edit on the start
of the three (four?) bass licks, but my edit is cleaner
than the original single or something because it falls
apart by a quarter second or so between this edit point
and the original single...
If somebody has better edit points on this one that keep
it in sync with the promo edit I'd love to see them.
It's clear in the promo edit that 2:39 (in our in-
progress edit) is where they edited as that first bass
note is the first thing out of sync... so the edit HAS
to be there, but maybe they ended their edit a hair
earlier than mine? I'm not sure!
Then you want to take out 2:48 to 2:56. I did my edit on
the beginning of the tom roll, and that seems to match up
perfectly with the single.
Believe it or not, there is one MORE edit, and this is
actually a copy / paste situation.
At 3:22, where he is singing "..time" of the word
"lifetime," cut from there all the way to the end of the
file.
Now, copy from 3:06 to the end of your file, and paste it
at the end. (Using Adobe Audition, I had to use mix
paste instead of just paste to avoid a few frames of
silence.)
Chop your file down to 3:27 - 3:28 and start your fade
about 3:08 - 3:09.
Fade to taste... I'm assuming the original single fades
about :18 - :20 seconds but the very, very last few
seconds of the promo single are cut off on the copy I
have so I'm not 100% sure.
If the single really runs 3:27, then you end up with a 19
second fade.
*WHEW!* I hope this helps!!! It's been a crazy couple
of weeks, so this is later than I had hoped.
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