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Kiefer2
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I know some of you are/were DJs and I was wondering if
anyone has any insight on chart placings (specifically in
the 80s). On the Steve Hoffman board there was a small
discussion about Madonna's "Angel" and how it probably
reached top 5 (US) on the strength of "Into The Groove"
being available on its B-side. My thinking is that, since
ITG was only on the B-side of the 12 inch single that would
have no effect at all on the chart placing of "Angel" as
sales of the 12" wouldn't reflect on the top 100, just
airplay and 7" single sales would. I, of course, could be
totally wrong and was just wondering if I am. Thanks!
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Somebody else will know better than I do, but I always thought 12" and 7" singles were both counted in sales.
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I believe MC Hammer's "U Can't Touch This" was only
available commercially as a 12" single and still made it
to #8. Why it was different with "Into The Groove", I
have no idea, unless it was because "Angel" was the A-
Side.
Edited by thecdguy on 02 December 2023 at 4:55pm
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The explanation I've always heard is that because "Into The Groove" was considered the "B" side of the 12" "Angel"
single, it was ineligible for the Hot 100. "Angel" (on its own) was a legitimate hit single. It peaked at #4 on the Hot
100 Airplay chart and at #9 on the Hot 100 sales chart. It also peaked at #4 in Radio & Records, where it actually
outdid "Into The Groove" which peaked at #6 in R&R. I'm sure that "Into The Groove" helped the 12" single sell so well,
but it really had little impact on where "Angel" peaked on the Hot 100. In the end, "Into The Groove" ended up becoming
one of the most-played Madonna songs of all-time, regardless of Hot 100 eligibility.
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NightAire wrote:
Somebody else will know better than I
do, but I always thought 12" and 7" singles were both
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Paul Haney's explanation is, of
course, accurate. I would like to clarify that I remember
in that era 12" & 7" singles were only counted together
in Hot 100 sales points if they both featured the same B
side on each release . (Additional cuts on the 12" were
OK to have.)
On the "Angel" commercial 45, the B side was a 'Dance Mix
Edit' of "Angel". On the commercial 12" the A side was an
extended dance mix of "Angel"; the B side was IIRC a
longer version of the same mix of "Into The Groove" that
was featured in the movie "Desparately Seeking Susan".
I remember about a month or so before the 12" came out I
supplied WGFM, a local CHR station, a dub of the
promotional video (Hi-fi VHS) extracted "Into The
Groove". I was playing it off of tape at the clubs I was
working - It was instantly HUGE - much greater response
than "Angel" (although "Angel" didn't perform all that
bad, either...)
Andy
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I can't say with 100% certainty, but it's my best guess that Billboard was only counting sales of the commercial 7"
"Angel" single towards the Hot 100. It's a shame that "Into The Groove" never got an official 7" single release at the
time, but I understand that Sire didn't want to overdo it. After all, Madonna was red-hot with "Material Girl," "Crazy
For You" and "Angel" coming out as singles in rapid succession.
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FWIW, a special supplement called How We Track The Hits was published in Billboard in April 1988 and said:
Radio stations report their entire playlist. Each retail reporter identifies its 30 best-selling singles for the week, combining sales in all four configurations (7 inch, 12 inch, cassette single and cassette maxi single).
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Every record that charts on the Hot 100 must (1) have airplay reported by at least 10 reporting stations on the panel and (2) receive at least 125 airplay points from those 10 (or more) stations. The record must be commercially available in at least one of the four single configurations.
Of course, maybe things were slightly different in '84.
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Kiefer2
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I guess it was always mildly confusing.
Edited by Kiefer2 on 07 December 2023 at 9:30am
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