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SIMPLY RED - "Holding Back The Years"
I have two commercial 45 copies of this song.
1/The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:05), the listed time is "4:04" on the record label.
(Elektra 7-69564-A-SP) Matrix # ST-E-69564 A-5
2/The actual commercial 45 running time is (4:07), the listed time is "4:04" on the record label.
(Elektra 7-69564-A-AR) Matrix # ST-E-69564 A-4 R-15295 A-4
Edited by abagon on 11 September 2008 at 12:27am
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These came from two different pressing plants. The one with "SP" in the master number printed on the label came from Specialty Records in Olyphant, Pennsylvania, while the one with "AR" came from Allied Records in Los Angeles. Both were formerly independent plants which were bought by Warner Music (Warner Bros./Elektra/Atlantic) in the late '70s when Warner decided they wanted have their own in-house plants, though both plants also continued to do pressing work for non-Warner labels. Specialty generally supplied Warner Music pressings to the eastern half of the country, Allied the west.
There was an earlier thread on this song in which it was determined that promo 45s exist in both of these lengths. There was no discussion of the plant codes in the master numbers printed on the labels, but the matrix numbers in the deadwax matched what abagon has reported here.
It looks like what was sent to each of Warner Music's plants to press this single did not have the fades done exactly the same, with a couple of seconds' timing difference between them.
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Not sure if this is reported elsewhere, but the 45 version is not merely an "edit of LP", as printed on the 45 label, but is a remix.
The easiest mix difference to spot is in the first two verses, from 0:13 to 0:55. In the LP mix, the percussion just has a rim shot every other beat. In the 45 mix, every other rim shot has a tambourine hit with it.
My commercial 45 runs 4:07, and runs at 87.1 BPM throughout. That's a little faster than the LP mix, which runs at 86.0 BPM throughout.
The easiest, and best-sounding, place to find the 45 mix is on the Rhino Like Omigod set (2002). I also have it on the UK 2-CD set Now Smash Hits Of The '80s (1987), and the UK 2-CD Now 1986 (1993), where it's faded a few seconds early to cram 20 songs on one disc.
The version on the 50-CD radio promo set The "A" List (1994) is an edit of the LP version that's an unsuccessful attempt to recreate the 45. At least it doesn't have noise reduction. The edit was likely done by TM Century for GoldDisc 914, which matches the version on The "A" List. It looks like this version includes includes some out-of-sequence edits to create a new intro that replaces the LP version, but I didn't spend much time deciphering it.
The LP version is otherwise pretty easy to spot, since the intros are very different. The LP version is readily available on Greatest Hits (which, unfortunately, includes all the LP mixes/versions), Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 4 1986-1987 (1999), and Rhino's Millennium New Love Songs (2001).
And just FYI, "Holding Back The Years" was originally recorded by Mick Hucknall's earlier band, the Frantic Elevators. The band was very punk-y, and this particular song was a giant evolutionary step from some of their other tracks, like "Every Day I Die". Their version of "Holding" wasn't nearly as lush as Simply Red's, as you might imagine.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 29 August 2011 at 7:55am
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There is a version of this song on several Simply Red
compilations that runs 4:11. Is this the 45 version, a
re-creation of the 45 or another version altogether?
Considering how much the hit version differs from the
album, it is frustrating that (like so many other hits!)
it is so difficult to track down.
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Which compilations are you looking at for the 45 version?
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The discs running about 4:10 or 4:11 have the 45 version running out to the full length of the mixdown tape. This is longer than the actual 45s, which run about 4:05 or 4:07.
There are two US Time-Life compilations that each run about 4:04. These are both digital clones of a UK 2-CD set called Now 1986 (1993), which has great sound but also includes a hastened fade.
All of the above are the 45 mix, running at the 45 speed (about 87.0 or 87.1 BPM throughout).
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Not sure if this is reported elsewhere, but the 45 version is not merely an "edit of LP",
as printed on the 45 label, but is a remix.
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Isn't there at least one out-of-sequence edit on it as well, making even trying to replicate it (albeit with the
LP mix) all the more difficult?
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And here I thought both the LP and 7" versions were basically edited from the 12" extended version. (well ... other than the LP intro)
Extended Version
Edited by Jody Thornton on 21 July 2021 at 8:22pm
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sriv94 wrote:
crapfromthepast wrote:
Not sure if this
is reported elsewhere, but the 45 version is not merely an
"edit of LP",
as printed on the 45 label, but is a remix.
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Isn't there at least one out-of-sequence edit on it as
well, making even trying to replicate it (albeit with the
LP mix) all the more difficult? |
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I believe the 45 mix puts a refrain ("I'll keep holdin'
on...) between the verse that ends with "...Get to me the
sooner or later" and the verse that follows it. That
section is instrumental on the LP mix.
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LunarLaugh wrote:
I believe the 45 mix puts a refrain ("I'll keep holdin'
on...) between the verse that ends with "...Get to me the
sooner or later" and the verse that follows it. That
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It certainly does. And the improvisation at the end uses a different take of "All I have today .... It's all I have to say". The extended version I posted uses this same take, followed by the one on the LP version.
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LunarLaugh wrote:
sriv94 wrote:
crapfromthepast wrote:
Not sure if this is reported elsewhere, but the 45 version is
not merely an "edit of LP", as printed on the 45 label, but is a remix.
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Isn't there at least one out-of-sequence edit on it as well, making even trying to replicate it (albeit with the
LP mix) all the more difficult? |
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I believe the 45 mix puts a refrain ("I'll keep holdin' on...) between the verse that ends with "...Get to me the
sooner or later" and the verse that follows it. That section is instrumental on the LP mix. |
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IIRC, said instrumental section is what appears at the beginning of the 45, instead of the first 21 seconds of the LP
version.
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There was a 2005 version of this song that charted on
Billboard's Smooth Jazz airplay chart peaking at #13 in
2006. Any idea where this version is from?
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Scanner wrote:
There was a 2005 version of this song that charted on Billboard's Smooth Jazz airplay chart peaking at #13 in 2006. Any idea
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Would that be the version from the live CUBA! CD/DVD?
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Simplified was the ninth studio album by Simply Red, released in October
2005. It featured new, rearranged recordings of the band's older songs
including Holding Back the Years.
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It must be the "Simplified" version. The year is right and
that version definitely has the sound for Smooth Jazz radio.
Thanks for helping figure this out!
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