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I have the 1955-2016 pop annual and the Top Pop Hits 1955-2015 and was just curious why radio edits of songs are not given credence over the 45 or the long play version?
Let's face it, few radio stations if ever played Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel's 6 minute 45 version, exactly because of the long length. The radio edit was clearly played and it is the only version that most everyone I know has heard. Yet other than on an A List disc or radio only disc it does not exist on a regular CD release.
Yet a good percentage of the 90's radio edit versions are clearly on CD and were released, but again not on comps of that era. Usually the LP version was the one that always got on the various artists discs.
I just get curious why Whitburn and even Downey gloss over the CD single market when some of these radio edits only exist on promo or cd singles of the period? Even the database won't list CD singles, and Whitburn acts as if they don't exist where these valuable and often well known radio edits were the only versions played.
The NOW series here and in the UK offer these rare radio edits for the last few decades, and these edits are often thankfully the same ones played on radio. Shouldn't the radio edits have just as much mention as the 45 version or LP versions they were edited from? They are just as much valid releases here in the US, charted on billboard and were mostly available to the public in the last few decades....
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The Record Research policy has always been to use the
commercially released single for the timings in the Pop
Annual, since these are the versions that were made
widely available to the general public and those are the
versions that we were able to actually collect and verify
the information. This includes vinyl, cassette and CD
singles, depending on the original year of release. I
know there are some instances (mainly during the 1990s
and 2000s) when only a 12" vinyl single was released. In
some of those cases (when all the cuts are extended dance
mixes), we actually went with the promo CD single times,
so we do refer to them on occasion. We also use those
times if a song was ONLY available as a longer LP cut.
That's the Record Research policy. For my own personal
collection, I just about always prefer the radio edits as
I've been an avid radio listener for most of my life.
Both Aaron and Ron can testify to that, as they've
graciously supplied me with several of them over the
years. I think Pat does a wonderful job in noting those
in his database. I know much of that info came right
from the members of this site.
BTW, I believe the commercial single for "Sledgehammer"
runs (5:00) and I do recall many stations (including the
one I worked for at the time) playing that full version.
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Sorry Paul you are right, it is 5 minutes not 6. Still the 4:02 radio edit to this day is the only one played by radio due to its extensive popularity (and unavailability on a CD release).
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PopArchivist wrote:
Sorry Paul you are right, it is 5
minutes not 6. Still the 4:02 radio edit to this day is
the only one played by radio due to its extensive
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I agree that the (4:02) radio edit is about all that seems
to get aired today.
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I disagree. Who plays the 4:02 edit these days? For one, it cannot be replicated by using the LP version. Two, it's never been on CD, ever. My local Jack FM station plays a lousy attempt at creating the 4:02 version, which is taken from a TM Century GoldDisc.
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aaronk wrote:
I disagree. Who plays the 4:02 edit
these days? For one, it cannot be replicated by using
the LP version. Two, it's never been on CD, ever. My
local Jack FM station plays a lousy attempt at creating
the 4:02 version, which is taken from a TM Century
GoldDisc.
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The only version that the oldies station here in
Milwaukee plays is a shorter version. Not sure if it's
the "true" shorter version or the version from the TM
Century library. It sounds okay to my ears, but I'm not
sure what differences I should be listening for???
It doesn't jump out at me like that awful version of
"Let's Go Crazy" by Prince that edits out the guitar solo
at the end and changes the intro too (which is the only
version that particular station plays anymore).
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Paul Haney wrote:
It doesn't jump out at me like that
awful version of "Let's Go Crazy" by Prince that edits out
the guitar solo at the end and changes the intro too (which
is the only version that particular station plays anymore).
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That one puzzled me even back in 1984. I get that they may
have wanted to shorten it for the single (I don't think
that was a radio-only edit) but the double-tracking where
Prince is talking over himself just sounds weird.
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Hykker wrote:
That one puzzled me even back in 1984. I
get that they may have wanted to shorten it for the single
(I don't think that was a radio-only edit) but the double-
tracking where Prince is talking over himself just sounds
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Actually, I'm speaking of a new edit that I've been
hearing recently that's just a shortened version of the
album intro. I quite liked what they did in 1984 with the
single version intro.
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Paul Haney wrote:
| The only version that the oldies station here in Milwaukee plays is a shorter version. Not sure if it's the "true" shorter version or the version from the TM Century library. It sounds okay to my ears, but I'm not sure what differences I should be listening for??? |
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TM Century crossfaded the intro into the first verse, and it's very obvious sounding. You can hear the intro fade out while the music before the "steam train" line fades in. The promo single remixed this part from the multi-tracks, so it's not possible to create using the LP version.
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aaronk wrote:
TM Century crossfaded the intro into the
first verse, and it's very obvious sounding. You can hear
the intro fade out while the music before the "steam
train" line fades in. The promo single remixed this part
from the multi-tracks, so it's not possible to create
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Thanks, Aaron! I'll have to listen closer next time it
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