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Posted: 13 March 2021 at 1:16pm \| IP Logged

Does anyone know of any differences between the Album and
Single Versions of this song? I have 2 HL&TN compilations
that label the song as "Single Mix", and I'm not hearing
any major differences other than the Single Mix possibly
having a little more reverb and maybe running a little
faster than the Album Version.

Anyone have any insight on this?

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Posted: 13 March 2021 at 4:09pm \| IP Logged

Yes Dan,

The major difference is the single mix
has more reverb! (It is a different
mix though, it's not like they simply
added reverb to the LP mix.)

Andy

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Posted: 13 March 2021 at 10:30pm \| IP Logged

AndrewChouffi wrote:

The major difference is the single mix
has more reverb! (It is a different
mix though, it's not like they simply
added reverb to the LP mix.)

Is anyone familiar with the Special Radio Remix serviced to radio on a
12” single? I picked up a copy years ago but have never had a chance
to analyze carefully.

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Posted: 14 March 2021 at 4:37am \| IP Logged

This version on YouTube claims to be the Special Radio Remix. Listened to it once, but didn't hear any differences between it and the Single Mix.

Jacob's Ladder (Special Radio Remix)

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Posted: 14 March 2021 at 6:36am \| IP Logged

Yes, the promo 12" "Special Radio Remix" was the single
mix serviced to AOR a couple of weeks before the single
was issued.

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Posted: 14 March 2021 at 6:53am \| IP Logged

The 45 label doesn't say anything about it being a "Single Mix" or give any mix/remix credits to anyone specific, so is it possible the 45 actually
has the Album Mix? Anyone here have the 45 to confirm?

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Posted: 14 March 2021 at 9:24am \| IP Logged

Good question, CDguy.

I own the PROMO 45 (also no remix mentions/credits) and
it is the same mix as the promo 12" "Special Radio
Remix".

It sure is only subtly remixed. Another point I noticed
was the opening keyboard melody line is brought out a
little more upfront in the remix compared to the
original album mix.

Andy

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Posted: 14 March 2021 at 9:31pm \| IP Logged

I'm not seeing a clarification in the database; which HL&TN CDs have the "single mix" with the extra reverb?

(Isn't it amazing that almost 35 years later we're STILL discovering single differences!!)

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 7:01am \| IP Logged

Gene, the 2006 "Greatest Hits" has it listed as a "Single
Remix". The other one is an import compilation titled,
"Collected".

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 7:40am \| IP Logged

I have the '80s-era US CD pressing of Fore (1986). I assume that this disc includes the LP mix, but I don't have the vinyl LP to compare.

I don't know what's on the UK CD pressing of Fore. Note that the UK CD of Fore adds the UK 45 version of "The Power Of Love", which is different from the US 45/soundtrack version and is omitted from the US versions of Fore.

There's a digitally identical clone of the US Fore on Chrysalis's The Heart Of Rock And Roll - The Best Of Huey Lewis And The News (1992).

There's a differently-EQ'd version of the above two on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 19 The Late '80s (1996).

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 11:18am \| IP Logged

Here's a video on YouTube - Special Single Remix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObN3-9JV294

I checked the 45 at 45cat and no indication of a remix on
the label.

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 11:22am \| IP Logged

It's hard to discern a difference. If there is one it's
perhaps the added reverb.

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 11:46am \| IP Logged

I can't tell any difference.

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 12:21pm \| IP Logged

There's a drastic EQ/volume difference between the Greatest Hits disc and the earlier masterings. GH is about 6 dB louder than Fore, and compresses/limits the peaks on top of that.

Both have a whole lot of reverb on the lead vocals (listen around 0:15-0:17).

I don't hear any mix differences.

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 12:29pm \| IP Logged

The CDs all sound like different
masterings of the LP mix to me. One of
these days I'm going to have to dub my
promo 12" and my promo 7" and to get
to the bottom of this!

Andy

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 2:09pm \| IP Logged

It runs about 0.2% faster than the version I've been playing, and like CFTP said, I hear (and see) much compression, limiting, and a brighter eq... but I have to question if any of these were on the original 7" single.

The fade point and length is identical, and once it's at the right speed they very nearly cancel each other out. I don't hear any instruments added or subtracted on either mix, even when playing the mono folddown of one in the left channel and the mono folddown of the other in the right channel.

Like others have said: I'm not convinced it's an independent mix.

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 3:38pm \| IP Logged

Does anyone out there have a needledrop of the actual
commercial 45?

I'm going to pull out my original LP vinyl and try to
dub it also.

Andy

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Posted: 15 March 2021 at 5:56pm \| IP Logged

Just took the time to transfer all my versions of
"Jacob's Ladder" to my editing software (Sound Forge).
This is my favorite of all of Huey's hits.

The vinyl promo 12" labeled 'Special Radio Remix' is
the same as the promo 45 (which is unlabeled).

The vinyl LP is the same mix as the 'Fore' CD and the
'Greatest Hits' CD (which is labeled, inaccurately,
'single remix').

There is very little difference between the two mixes.
Most noticeable is the opening keyboard melody line is
a tad louder on the promo 12"/promo 7" compared to the
LP mix. Even that is hard to distinguish!

One thing that makes it easier to tell the mixes apart
is removing the center channel information in the
tracks. The vinyl LP & the two CDs have a very audible
flange effect two seconds into the song when removing
the center channel info - the promo
12" & promo 45 do not have this flange effect when
removing the center channel info.

I still haven't heard a dub of the actual commercial
single so I don't know if it's the same as the promos.

Andy

Edited to add - Even if the commercial single is
identical to the two promos, I don't think anybody
should spend any major time hunting it down as the
difference is so negligible it doesn't need to be
noted in the database.

Edited by AndrewChouffi on 16 March 2021 at 5:15am

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