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Why some words are censored on radio in clean edits while others are not? I don't see the logic, is there some bible or guideline on what is acceptable and what isn't?
The following are clear censored words which I don't think any radio programmer would be permitted to allow:
S-it
F--g-t
F--k
Ass--le
Cu-t
Bitch (though back in the 70's it was fine apparently).
Between her legs
N--ger
P--sy
D-ck
I'm sure there is a greater list, but how was John Lennon able to get away with the N word back then? Hell what happened by 1997 when Meredith Brooks entire song chorus was using the word Bitch (and a Bitchless edit to boot was issued on a cd promo). Elton used the Bitch Is Back without a problem, yet 20 years later and even now we have issues with it.
So if anyone worked at radio (and still works at radio) can you give us an idea of what slipped by and what didn't and what era it was? A perfect example of the editing job these poor guys at the labels have to do is the #1 hit WAP. Its amazing they got the song clean (or at least radio friendly) even though there are blanks in the audio everywhere.
Any insight would be a great help. Thanks!
Edited by PopArchivist on 06 August 2021 at 5:37pm
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Attitudes change over time, and big stars can generally get away with more than newcomers. Also it depends on what format of station would be playing the song, and even the time of day -- just like TV, on radio the rules about bad language are not as strict late at night versus during the daytime when kids could be listening.
And a Top 40 station might let some things slip through (like the drug references in Third Eye Blind's "Semi-Charmed Life", or the "chickens**t" in Alanis Morissette's "Hand in my Pocket") that an Adult Contemporary station would edit out. Or they'd leave enough of the word in that you could tell what it was meant to be, while a more conservative station would play a version that removed all traces of the offending word.
As for "bitch", that term is generally OK if you're referring to yourself as one, or not specifically about anyone (as in "Rich Girl"), but it's not OK when it's used as an insult against someone else (except possibly if it's the Devil!).
Also for devout Christians, the term "goddamn" is as offensive as the F-bomb, so it's often edited out of songs on the radio, especially in the Bible Belt. ("Damn" is OK on its own, but not "goddamn".)
And there's still an ongoing debate about whether or not it's OK to play the references to "fa**ot" in Dire Strait's "Money for Nothing". Canada's equivalent of the FCC decided that it's not acceptable to play on the air, although some Canadian stations defy that ruling and play it anyway. In the U.S., it's a mixed bag between stations that play the full unedited version, those which censor the word, and those which play the short version that skips over that verse entirely.
Anyway, despite popular belief, the FCC does not have a list of banned words. Enforcement action is always decided on a case-by-case basis.
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VWestlife wrote:
And there's still an ongoing debate about whether or not it's OK to play the references to "fa**ot" in Pink Floyd's "Money". Canada's equivalent of the FCC decided that it's not
acceptable to play on the air, although some Canadian stations defy that ruling and play it anyway. In the U.S., it's a mixed bag between stations that play the full unedited version,
those which censor the word, and those which play the short version that skips over that verse entirely.
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Did you mean "Money For Nothing" by Dire Straits?
Or was it "Money" by Pink Floyd and the word "Bullshirt"
Sorry, I couldn't resist a bit of humor from 'The Good Place" TV show.
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Money For Nothing Promo Copies had the f****t verse
edited completely.
And Money by Floyd just edited the verse entirely.
Been other promo edits, lie Cinderella from Firefall
where the God word was edited out and just damn was
left.
Uneasy Rider from Charlie Daniels edited the curse
word too!
A few FM stations did play Woman is the ...... of the
world, but some got nailed for it and some did not.
But many Prog FM's wouldn't touch it, even in 1972 was
too much.
Can't see any of these records geetinmg airplay today
for various reasons.
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garye wrote:
And Money by Floyd just edited the verse entirely.
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A few FM stations did play Woman is the ...... of the
world, but some got nailed for it and some did not.
But many Prog FM's wouldn't touch it, even in 1972 was
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My promo of "Money" they just ducked sh-t on the mono
side, otherwise the song was intact.
As for the John Lennon song, I can't believe anyone
would have played that one, though "Working Class
Hero" probably snuck thru a few times, especially if
the jock didn't know about the F-bomb ahead of time.
I got caught once with Nilsson's "You're Breaking My
Heart". Our station was playing one LP cut an
hour..."Son Of Schmillson" had just come out, I
previewed a few seconds of it, sounded like an OK song
so I gave it a spin. Imagine my shock about :15 in
when he sings a very blatant F-U. Eek!! I quickly
picked up the arm and set it on a different track (and
made a note on the jacket so no one else got caught).
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It's interesting to see the progression of "offensive"
lyrics permeating the music scene over the decades.
Some songs over the past 10 years have so many f bombs
and other lyrics deemed offensive that when you hear
the radio edit it's mostly drops, bleeps or other
sound effects to mask the words that the song becomes
almost unlistenable. the label releases their clean
edit and then radio stations do their own handy work.
The station I worked at in the mid 90's took the clean
mtv edit promo cd for Alanis "You Oughta Know" that
dropped "down on you" in a theater and then instead of
the "fu*k her" line just elongated the youuuuuuu right
over it. I don't remember if that was an in-house
edit or if it appeared on promo disc.
Edited by promojunkie on 06 August 2021 at 6:25am
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promojunkie wrote:
The station I worked at in the mid 90's took the clean
mtv edit promo cd for Alanis "You Oughta Know" that
dropped "down on you" in a theater and then instead of
the "fu*k her" line just elongated the youuuuuuu right
over it. I don't remember if that was an in-house
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The promo edit was "clean" but just barely. Still
very obvious what she said. Likewise for "Hand In My
Pocket". In both cases I cleaned them up further for
airplay on our station.
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What about songs like Chakachas "Jungle fever" or
Sylvia's "Pillow talk"? Any airplay problem? I'm still
surprised there is no issue with Jungle fever, which is
played in current broadcast of old AT40 shows (from
March-April 1972).
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Yes, I obviously meant "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits, but I was also thinking of the "bullsh**" in Pink Floyd's "Money". It's another case of some stations playing the full word, some editing out just part of the "sh**", and some editing it out completely.
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promojunkie wrote:
It's interesting to see the progression of "offensive"
lyrics permeating the music scene over the decades.
Some songs over the past 10 years have so many f bombs
and other lyrics deemed offensive that when you hear
the radio edit it's mostly drops, bleeps or other
sound effects to mask the words that the song becomes
almost unlistenable. the label releases their clean
edit and then radio stations do their own handy work.
The station I worked at in the mid 90's took the clean
mtv edit promo cd for Alanis "You Oughta Know" that
dropped "down on you" in a theater and then instead of
the "fu*k her" line just elongated the youuuuuuu right
over it. I don't remember if that was an in-house
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I always thought the "down on you" lyric and the "f-k" lyrics should have been done a lot cleaner like Hykker said as someone clearly didn't do a great job of bleeping it out. But glad that they didn't do some lame substitution like "kiss on you in a theater" and "are you thinkin of me when you kiss her?". That would have made a fantastic song bland. The whole point of the song would be lost. These days the clean version would be exactly that, done to appease the audience....
Edited by PopArchivist on 06 August 2021 at 5:37pm
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I've never encountered this in the wild, but did any stations edit the "Funk" out of Erotic City?
Honestly, the intended word is so blatantly obvious.
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