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this is an unusual one.....the commercial 45's (rca 13800) face states the run time as 4:46 but the 45 actually runs 3:50 and is 0:06 LONGER than all the 3:44 cd versions in the db.....i don't have the 4:45 version to compare to see if the 45 is just a fade of the full 4:45 cd/lp version.....anyone know???.....and, this info should be noted in the db....
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Ed, I only have a dj copy but the short side of that dj copy states a time of (3:45) but actually runs (3:47) and that side is simply an early fade of the LP. I wouldn't be surprised if there were two pressings of this commercial 45 so if anyone has a longer pressing running (4:46), let us know!
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Ed and Pat, both my commercial and promo 45s for this one state a running time of (4:46), but both have an actual time of exactly (3:49). My deadwaxes; Stock: PB-13800A-3; Promo: NR 109667 PB-13800A-2. My promo has the stock 45 flip, "Aqua" on the other side, but it is indeed a legitimate, RCA, cream colored, "Not For Sale" promo, just FYI, and appears to be different than your promo, Pat.
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I have two promo copies for this song. One is a long/short copy and the deadwax on the short side is PB-13880D-1 which might account for our slightly different running time. The long side, which states a run time of (4:46) actually runs (4:43) matrix number PB-13880A-11. The other promo is the one you have Jim with a stated time of (4:46) and an actual running time of (3:49) and matrix number PB-13800A-2. I have a duplicate of the short/long version Jim if you would like to trade for something else.
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my commercial 45 has "pb - 13800a - 3" in the run out groove...
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if you fade the cd version on "touch" for 0:14 from 3:35 to
3:49 you'll effectively re-create the true vinyl 45
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jimct wrote:
| My promo has the stock 45 flip, "Aqua" on the other side, but it is indeed a legitimate, RCA, cream colored, "Not For Sale" promo, just FYI, and appears to be different than your promo, Pat. |
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Curiously, is there a "plug side" designation on your copy? It was pretty rare by 1984 to see a promo single on a major label that wasn't a double A-side. I'm wondering if initially RCA wasn't sure which side to promote.
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Even though this track had about a 57 second time difference between the LP
and 45 versions, there aren't any version/length designations in the
database.
I assume the 4:45 version on Touch and its various editions represents what
was on the Touch vinyl LP and deserves an "LP Length" designation? And the
3:44-3:45 versions that appear on "Greatest Hits" and various comps
deserve a "45 Length" designation (although each of those appears to be cut
a little short of the 45 by about 5 or 6 seconds). Is that right?
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I guess I was waiting to see if anyone came up with a commercial copy of the 45 that ran (4:46 or 4:47) so let's inquire again if anyone has a 45 that states and runs (4:46 or 4:47).
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I thought there was a radio edit that used the double voiced "Tell Me" on the first chorus instance. Whereas the album uses just Annie's plain voice on that part.
My imagination?
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Pat Downey wrote:
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I have a feeling you will be hard pressed to find a stock 45 that runs 4:45 or 4:46 unless somebody is clocking the record on a old belt drive turntable that's running a tad slow.
I just did a spin of my stock copy (Cat# PB-13800), Matrix PB-13800A-12 and it's clocking in at 4:43 on a direct drive deck with pitch at 0.
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I thought the issue was that nobody could put their hands on a 45 that
ran longer than 3:49 (despite the stated run time being 4:46).
Fastphilly, are you saying that you have a 45 that runs 4:43?
Edited by JL328 on 26 May 2016 at 9:10am
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What appears to be in play here is that stock copies early in the press
run contained the shorter radio edit. Since my copy has a later/higher
matrix# than the copies that contained the short version it looks like
RCA never had the commercial labels printed up for the time
discrepancy. Yes my copy runs 4:43
I bet the pressing plant used the stamper that was intended for the
promo and mistakenly used them to press up stock copies. Perhaps the
gaffe was noted later into the press run which is why you see later
pressings with the version that matches the listed timing but even that
is off by three seconds
Edited by Fastphilly on 26 May 2016 at 10:41am
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Coincidentally, I have two stock copies of
"Who's That Girl," and each plays a
different length. One is on styrene with a
trail-off number of PB-13800A-3; this one
plays the short (3:49) version. The other
is on vinyl with a trail-off number of PB-
13800A-14; this one plays the long (4:43)
version. The long version has an extremely
long fade-out, which may account for the
time difference if the LP version is
actually 4:46.
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