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Instead of using the single mix of Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it has the talking which was mixed out of the 45.
Beginnings has two wrong edits to try to recreate the 45.
DJ edit of Wishing You Were Here is on the collection and it's correct.
I'm surprised they included these.
I don't have the CD, I'm listening to it at
www.lite98.com/cc-common/mfeatures/chicagoOD
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My comments on Beginnings assumes that there was not a stereo edit made in 1969 or 1971 which may have been different than the mono. I have never seen or heard one from that time period. There could have been one prepared but never released. My guess though is that this is a re-creation which is not an exact match. Maybe there are some comments in the CD booklet which I don't have yet.
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Bill:
Is this a radio only release? There's not even a mention on
Chicago - The Band's website.
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I noticed that it has a 3:26 version of Question 67 & 68. You can buy the CD on Amazon. Read some of the reviews...it mentions single edits.
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Chicago-40th-Anniversary/dp/B000U JBY4W/ref=sr_1_5/103-7458530-0152610?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=119 1516347&sr=1-5
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Sounds like Questions may be the 1971 45 length. same for Beginnings.
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Well, my curiosity got the best of me. Picked one up on eBay for 9.95 + shipping.
Hopefully too, Pat will get a copy of this CD for review. That way, we'll know for sure if it's proper 45 versions or unsuccessful recreations.
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BillCahill wrote:
| Instead of using the single mix of Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it has the talking which was mixed out of the 45. |
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Not only that, the DJ version is dry, and is mono.
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The 45 edit is terrible, and it has a false ending. But, if one needs it, I have recreated it. I have also made my own, better "single" edit.
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The DJ 45 version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" also had a stereo side for radio so it wasn't just mono. That stereo DJ side was issued on LP, The original Chicago Greatest Hits LP, and the midline LP release "If You Leave Me Now". When Chicago's Greatest Hits made it to CD they changed it to the LP version with the piano intro cut off, but the "If You Leave Me Now" CD kept the stereo DJ version, although the tape it came from was not all that great.
The actual stock 45 is the same mono mix as the mono DJ version with the talking mixed out, but has a longer intro, and that longer stock 45 version has not been issued in stereo.
I have the stereo DJ copy and the quality on that mix was great, (Unlike on the If You Leave Me Now CD) but as Hit Man notes, it didn't have as much reverb. Background vocals are center, not off to the side.
This new Best Of Chicago CD would have been an excellent opportunity to release the stereo DJ mix in better quality than the "If You Leave Me Now" CD, but instead we get a chopped LP version with a mastering error on the intro.
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Well, mine went back out the door this morning. Already sold it! :)
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BillCahill wrote:
The DJ 45 version of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" also had a stereo side for radio so it wasn't just mono. That stereo DJ side was issued on LP, The original Chicago Greatest Hits LP, and the midline LP release "If You Leave Me Now". When Chicago's Greatest Hits made it to CD they changed it to the LP version with the piano intro cut off, but the "If You Leave Me Now" CD kept the stereo DJ version, although the tape it came from was not all that great.
The actual stock 45 is the same mono mix as the mono DJ version with the talking mixed out, but has a longer intro, and that longer stock 45 version has not been issued in stereo.
I have the stereo DJ copy and the quality on that mix was great, (Unlike on the If You Leave Me Now CD) but as Hit Man notes, it didn't have as much reverb. Background vocals are center, not off to the side.
This new Best Of Chicago CD would have been an excellent opportunity to release the stereo DJ mix in better quality than the "If You Leave Me Now" CD, but instead we get a chopped LP version with a mastering error on the intro.
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I have strong suspicions that the "If You Leave Me Now" CD contains a vinyl dub of the DJ 45 version. Listening in headphones, I can definitely hear noise reduction, and there is low frequency rumbling on the ending reverb. I also detect some groove distortion on some of the horn passages.
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BillCahill wrote:
Instead of using the single mix of Does
Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off
the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it
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That would be the DJ edit of the song.
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This was noted on the "Very Best of Chicago" 2-CD set.
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The Hits Man wrote:
BillCahill wrote:
Instead of using the single mix of Does
Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off
the beginning to match the radio edit. But it's wrong, it
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That would be the DJ edit of the song.
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Grant, are you saying that you have a copy of the 45 with the talking? Bill is saying that the CD has the talking, whereas the 45 does not.
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aaronk wrote:
The Hits Man wrote:
BillCahill wrote:
Instead of using the single mix of Does
Anybody Really Know What Time It Is they just chopped off
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Grant, are you saying that you have a copy of the 45 with the talking? Bill is saying that the CD has the talking, whereas the 45 does not. |
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I'm not Grant, but I have a copy of the 2:53 promo edit of this, and it does have the talking (at least on the stereo side).
There appear to have been 3 different promos of this song...a mono/stereo 2:53 version with the talking, a mono 3:17 b/w whatever was on the stock without the talking, and a mono 2:53/3:17. I have copies of the first 2, can't comment on the 3rd.
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That's interesting, Hykker. There is info on this song in a couple different Chicago threads, and I seem to remember someone saying this had two different releases. The first chart run it didn't hit the top 40, and the second run it became a big hit.
Does the promo with talking perhaps come from the first chart run, or was it released that way in 1971, too?
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I'm not sure that "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" had an earlier run, Hykker is your DJ edit with talking on it "Columbia 4-45264" or is it an earlier record number?
I have two DJ promos and two stock copies. All are record numbr 4-45264. One DJ is 2:53 stereo/mono, the other is 3:17 mono 2:53 mono. None have talking. Here's the master numbers:
"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" 3:17 (mono).. on all issues of the 3:17 mono version that I have including my stock copies are JZSP 154094.
"Listen", the flip side of the stock copy is JZSP 154095. (I think there is a promo which has "Listen" as the B Side too)
"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" 2:53 mono is JZSP 154096 on both promos I have with the 2:53 mono.
However, "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" 2:53 stereo is JZSS-154367, which suggests it was prepared at a later date than the rest of these issues.
Hykker do you have the master number of the stereo version you have with the talking?
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I'm in the process of assembling a visual composite of the various "Does Anybody Really Know" vinyl releases similar to the one I put together for "All Right Now" and will post the results under the existing thread using the song title (well, most of it, anyway... that existing thread's title is shortened to "Does Anybody Really Know...") But I'll back up Bill's findings here: my two promo copies match his and likewise have no talking whatsoever (my 2:53/2:53 mono/stereo DJ 45 is a "special rush reservice" copy.)
The confusion over an alleged earlier chart run seems to have stemmed from this quote from yet another thread:
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| "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?". First single release on the old style label has the jazz vamp intro on it and the talking in the break. The re-released single had the jazz vamp edited out and no talking in the break. Version 1 was a fair seller, version 2 was a big hit. |
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There was only one chart run in 1970. The stock 45 had the complete brass intro shared with at least the second 3:17 DJ 45 release, but did NOT have talking.
There was no commercial issue of Columbia 45264 with the first part of the brass intro trimmed off (that version would first appear commercially on Hall Of Fame reissue 33197.)
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Bill Cahill wrote:
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Sorry, I've read so many Chicago threads, I couldn't keep them all straight, especially since many of them discuss multiple songs. The post I was thinking of referred to "Questions 67 and 68."
Now back to our discussion on "Does Anybody Really Know..."
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Yah Shure wrote:
The confusion over an alleged earlier chart run seems to have stemmed from this quote from yet another thread:
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Er, maybe it was that post that confused me.
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Bill Cahill wrote:
| I'm not sure that "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" had an earlier run, Hykker is your DJ edit with talking on it "Columbia 4-45264" or is it an earlier record number? |
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Both of my copies are 4-45264, which corresponds to a late autumn 1970 release.
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However, "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" 2:53 stereo is JZSS-154367, which suggests it was prepared at a later date than the rest of these issues.
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The master # on my 2:53 stereo as listed on the label is the same as yours, the # stamped into the run-out adds a 1B. Mono side is 154096 1B.
Stereo side has the talking (not sure on the mono side...I'll check tonight).
Correction on my 3:17 copy...it's a double A side with the 3:17 version in mono on both sides.
I'm not aware of an earlier release of DAKWTIS either.
I don't recall hearing anyone play the 2:53 version during the song's chart run (we didn't where I worked), don't remember when I came across my copy.
Does anyone have the re-issue 45 of this? Does it have the talking? Mono or stereo?
Edited by Hykker on 14 March 2012 at 8:12am
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Hykker wrote:
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Steve, the mono "Does Anybody Really Know..." Columbia Hall Of Fame 33197 reissue is identical to the no-talking 2:53 DJ 45 in every way. Its listed time is also 2:53.
FWIW, "Free" on its flip side is also mono (the stock 45 was stereo.)
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