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Here's another song where the 45 and LP version differ but the distinction is not made in the 10th edition of T40MOCD. Ed e-mailed me an mp3 of his Kenny Loggins "Meet Me Half Way" commercial 45 which runs 3:29. The intro is edited on the 45 so that it doesn't loop (repeat) itself like it does on the LP version running 3:38. Based on all the CD run times listed for "Meet Me Half Way" in the 10th edition, it appears the 45 version has never been issued on a domestic compact disc release.
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This was a tougher edit than I expected! The problem is the keyboard chords underneath the intro start at one volume & s-l-o-w-l-y fade to a lower level by the time the lyrics kick in... meaning, wherever you cut, there's a sudden volume drop (or, taking the intro piano notes & jumping past the 1st time through, it sounds "interrupted," perhaps because of sustain left over from what you just cut).
Working off a YouTube video of a video cassette of an MTV broadcast (*SIGH*) I think I found where they "cut their losses." ;-)
I trimmed the silence off the beginning, so your time may be a hair later than this; add 225 ms & see if that gets you closer:
If you take out 5.383 to 13.584 it isn't quite as noticeable a drop. This is editing at the "clack" of what I think is a wood block... but I'm no percussionist, so don't quote me. :)
I say "at" the clack because I couldn't find a place within the clack that matched up between the two hits. I could, however, find the beginning of each hit, & trimmed there.
Other than the trimmed into, the album version seems to match the official video; make that one cut, & you have the video edit & I suspect the 45 edit, too.
I came up with a length of 3:30.721, so to be EXACTLY right I guess you'd need to trim the last second & 3/4 to match the 45.
This is to play on my 'net station, so that last couple of seconds won't ever be heard, anyway. ;-)
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Bumping up for Fetta.
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my commercial 45 issued as columbia 06690 for the kenny loggins song "meet me halfway" states the run time on the label as 3:31 but actually runs 3:29 and is an edit of the full length 3:38 version....this 45 run time info s/b added to the db.....thanks aaron for re-creating the edit years ago.....THANKS!!!
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Like NightAire, I also tried editing this one down from the LP version. However, I couldn't get the edit as smooth as I'd have liked. Fortunately, the correct 45 version later showed up on a promo compilation I bought on eBay. I'd actually purchased the CD to obtain a hard to find track by the Australian group Mondo Rock, so the 45 version of Meet Me Half Way was a surprise bonus. I'm not sure how rare the CD is but it cost me less than USD$10. Details below:
The Columbia Record - A Special CD Sampler (Columbia ASK 2669)
Track 1: Meet Me Half Way - Kenny Loggins (listed time 3:31/actual time 3:29)
I hope this is of help to anyone trying to locate a copy of this song on CD.
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Can you tell if "Columbia Record" came from vinyl or tape? Often times, these promo samplers that contain a song or single mix/edit that have never been on CD before - use a vinyl dub because the right version isn't already available on CD elsewhere.
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Gordon, "The Columbia Record" sampler came from tape. These comps
were made by the labels themselves, not by "middlemen", like TM
Century, Hitmakers, etc. Around 1987/1988, before promo CD singles
were routinely being issued for individual tracks by Columbia/Epic/etc.,
these samplers were sent to Top 40 stations, as sort of a "quarterly radio
versions of new label releases" source. From which we could later use to
play on-air, when specific tracks from it became hits. During these two
years, both Capitol and Columbia, seemed to strongly feel that utilizing so
little of a CD's total audio capacity was wildly inefficient. But it didn't take
long for both the labels and radio to discover that the local rep saying to
the station's MD/PD, "Song 'XXXXX' , that we're now working you on, is cut
11 on that promo sampler we sent you last month" was terribly unwieldy -
especially if we already had that disc in-studio, playing another track from
it on-air already. With 45s, radio was already very used to each song
being contained on its own unique audio source. Such samplers have long
existed/always worked best when they're sent to retail music shops, for
start-to-finish in-store play, which has always spurred sales. It didn't take
long for Columbia/Capitol to realize that while compiling these 20-song
radio samplers were very cost-efficient to produce, most Top 40 PD/MDs
were both too busy and too lazy (and I include myself in that) to go
searching for a V/A comp that we got one copy of - weeks ago, no less.
We wanted the songs they were working us/we were considering as an
add each week to be easily located, to bring into the weekly music
meeting, 100% of the time.
Edited by jimct on 16 October 2013 at 8:15am
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Well said, Jim.
I'd also add that in 1987-88, not many stations were playing music directly off CD. The early on-air CD players were notoriously unreliable. Our station added remote-start capability to a Magnavox unit. It sounded great on-air when it worked, but it skipped more often than it should have, and the remote start left unpredictable gaps between when you pushed the button and when the music actually started. Great new toys, especially for a college station, but the top 40 guys weren't on board yet.
Most stations at the time were running music off carts. (Short for cartridges; sort of like 8-track tapes with cue tones that allowed the tape to re-cue itself at the appropriate point.) The production guy would dub the the song onto a cart from whatever source was available - promo 45, promo 12-inch single, full-length CD, promo CD single, promo samplers, or in rare cases, from a reel-to-reel tape for homemade edits or edits from other stations.
The promo samplers from the labels were superb at rounding up the hit version that didn't appear anywhere else on CD. They're extremely hard to find today, as you'd expect.
An informal list of the labels' promo samplers that I have from that time frame:
1987
Columbia Record
Columbia Record Vol. 2
Audio Buffet
Audio Buffet 2
Singles Scene
Son Of Singles Scene
EPA With Our Compliments
1988
Music So Good It Must Be ATlantic
AC CD Sampler
Blink And It's A Hit
More New Stuff
CBS Records Ltd. Ed. Radio Sampler
EPA's New Year's Solution
Virgin Singles Sampler
There was an Atlantic's Year In Review released at the end of every year from 1987 to 1998. Those were great.
Hitmakers started around 1988, as did the TuneUp series, Schwartz Brothers samplers, and a few other promo services that rounded up tracks from the labels and sent them to radio. Hot Hits and Spotlight On Hits started around 1990 that did the same thing for jukeboxes.
I'm sure there are others; I don't have everything... :)
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EdisonLite: jimct is correct in saying that the songs on this particular sampler are from a tape source.
Thanks to both jimct and crapfromthepast for such detailed responses.
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Yes, thank you all, for the great info!
BTW, I wish there were 1987 Universal Records samplers that included the single mix of "Special Way" by Kool & the Gang - and "Love Lives On" by Joe Cocker - both big AC hits.
Edited by EdisonLite on 16 October 2013 at 8:30pm
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Some labels still produce those sampler promo CDs...I see
current ones at one of my engineering client stations.
Not sure why with .wav downloads being readily available
from industry sources (promo only, newmusicserver.com,
etc.).
Given that almost everyone uses some sort of music-on-
hard-drive playback these days, it does cut down label
overhead for the stations that still want CD service,
especially stations in smaller markets.
Edited by Hykker on 17 October 2013 at 5:11am
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