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my commercial 45 for the adam faith with the roulettes song
"it's alright" lists the run time as 2:24 but actually runs
2:23 and is an edit of all the 2:35 cd/lp versions listed
in the db......this 45 run time and version should be noted
in the db....the 45 edits out the second intro loop which
accounts for about 0:17....the cd versions also fade out
sooner than the 45.....i will report back if it can be
edited down to match
Edited by edtop40 on 29 March 2012 at 1:21pm
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The mix on the mono Amy 45 absolutely smokes any attempt to replicate it from the stereo cut.
"It's Alright" - which was the B-side of the UK single - provided perhaps my biggest "oh, wow!" moment while watching Good Morning Vietnam in the theater. When the song came along, I found myself singing along to it without giving it a second thought... until about a minute into it. It suddenly dawned on me that not only had I not heard the song in years, I had no clue as to the title or artist. By the time the credits ran, I'd sorted it out: back in the day, I'd assumed I was hearing the latest Dave Clark Five single. Its all-too-quick disappearance from the airwaves never allowed a title-artist connection to cement in the memory. Turns out it was listed on a 1965 KDWB survey I'd picked up, but neither the title nor artist rang any bells then or later on.
Neither the rechanneled Canadian Underground label 45 reissue nor the true stereo Rhino CD track (or a fold thereof) have the same DC5-like percussive and bass impact of the Amy single. The 45's got the groove... some noticeable hum during the intro and fade, and... what sounds like someone beginning to stop the tape at the very end of the fadeout! Might that explain the slightly earlier fades on subsequent releases?
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I would guess that the U.K. 45 did not have the edit. Can anyone confirm?
Several U.K. artists's 45s were edited for the U.S. at the time (Spencer Davis
Group "I'm A Man" comes to mind). Often, the Canadian 45 matched the U.K.
Good luck with the editing, ed.
Edited by davidclark on 30 March 2012 at 1:24am
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Yah Shure wrote:
The mix on the mono Amy 45 absolutely smokes any attempt to replicate it from the stereo cut.
By the time the credits ran, I'd sorted it out: back in the day, I'd assumed I was hearing the latest Dave Clark Five single. |
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Never really thought about it, but it does sound like a DC5 song. My copy is pretty beat up (on a Bell subsidiary, who'd a thunk?), but in no way does it detract from this powerful tune.
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Hykker wrote:
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I don't think there was any doubt that this was EMI's attempt to clone the DC5 sound, except that the drums weren't front row center in the mix. :) But everything else was there: compression to the Nth degree, double-tracked Mike Smith-like vocals and the harmonica (which, come to think of it, may have led to Dave Dexter, Jr.'s having rejected the original May '64 Parlophone 45 at Capitol.)
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Weren't they shipped from the factory that way? Kind of the broken-in, pre-washed jeans of their day? :)
That Good Morning Vietnam incident led me to re-examine my survey collection, which resulted in a list of unfamiliar titles and artists I took with me on an auto trip to Arizona. At a shop in Oklahoma City I'd regularly patronized while living there, I found two new old stock copies of "It's Alright" and picked up some others (Freddie & The Dreamers' "A Little You" and The Three Dimensions' "Look At Me") that were instantly recognizable once I heard them. Oh, to have had YouTube twenty-some years ago...
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this one slipped through my re-reviewal in march of
2012.....john was able to edit the cd version to match the
vinyl 45, but by doing that, the file runs 0:04 short at
2:19, versus the vinyl 45 at 2:23.....close enough until
mark matthews gets this song on his radar for the next rare
singles cd compilation he's to put together!!
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yah shure....if this song was in the movie 'good morning
vietnam' as you state, why isn't is listed on the movie
ost?.....was it omitted form the cd soundtrack?
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It wasn't until long after the movie came out that I connected the two...during Good Morning Vietnam, Robin Williams introduces the song as by The Dawnbusters or Dawnbreakers or some such fictional group. As for why it wasn't on the soundtrack, one would have to assume it to be a copyright issue.
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That's right, Ed. I went to the mall next door to the theater as soon as the film credits ended, and was not happy to discover that the OST was missing "It's Alright," which wasn't available domestically at the time (Rhino's The British Invasion series was still some months in the future.) All I could find in the stores was the Underground reissue 45, which was a re-channeled fold of the stereo mix. Bleah.
Bitman, speaking of the "Dawnbusters," the B-side of that Underground 45 was "Behold" by the Blues Busters. So close. :)
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I finally compared the stereo track from Rhino's The British Invasion - The History Of British Rock, Vol. 1 CD and the U.S. Amy 913 45 and found that there's a marked difference in the bass playing between the two. The stereo mix's bass part is pretty basic from the start, with the same note being struck for several beats at a time. But on the Amy 45, the bassline is much more fluid; going up and down and changing with every beat.
Here's another reason the 45 sounds more Dave Clark Five-like than the Rhino track: the drumming is much more upfront in the mono mix (although still not as prominent as what you'd hear on an actual DC5 hit.) In the stereo version, the drums are only in the right channel, and pretty deeply buried at that. Summed to mono, they're not a factor at all. The busier bass part and the louder drums give the 45 a lot more driving energy.
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Yah Shure wrote:
| I finally compared the stereo track from Rhino's The British Invasion - The History Of British Rock, Vol. 1 CD and the U.S. Amy 913 45 and found that there's a marked difference in the bass playing between the two. The stereo mix's bass part is pretty basic from the start, with the same note being struck for several beats at a time. But on the Amy 45, the bassline is much more fluid; going up and down and changing with every beat. |
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I scrutinized these two mixes more carefully some months ago and found that both the basic bass line *and* the more fluid one are present on the stereo mix. However, the fluid one is pushed way into the background. It's still audible, but doesn't have any significant impact. The simple bass part is far more prominent.
On the mono mix, it's the other way around. The fluid bass part is the driving force, and if the simple bass is on this mix at all, it's very difficult to detect.
Good news! The mono mix was issued on CD by BGO in the UK in 2000, on a "2-on-1" pairing of Adam Faith's two albums he recorded with the Roulettes as his backing band. On The Move, from 1964, is in mono and includes the unedited "It's Alright." 1965's Faith Alive! is in stereo. The catalog number is BGOCD477, and I'm happy to report that "It's Alright" sounds outstanding on this CD, and without any of the noticeable hum on the Amy single.
I don't have my original editing notes handy, so I can't detail the speed adjustment needed to match the Amy 45. But the edit is simple and seamless: just delete the portion between the beginning of Adam's third "it's alright" and the same spot before the sixth one. Done!
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I can add that if one cannot find the BGO CD, there is now
a digital best-of on I-tunes and other download services
called "Complete Faith [His HMV, Top Rank & Parlophone
Recordings 1958-1968]" courtesy of Warner/Parlophone.
It contains both the stereo and mono mix, unedited.
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