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The only CD I own containing the song "Where Peaceful Waters Flow" by Gladys Knight & The Pips is the Rhino release Soul Survivors: The Best Of. In at least parts of the song, the guitars on the CD are different than on my U.S. commercial 45 (Buddah 363). For example, for about the first half minute of the song, the only guitar present in the right channel on the 45 is an acoustic guitar. This acoustic guitar is not present on the Rhino CD, on which some kind of soulful electric guitar is heard in its place.
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Pat Downey
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I just obtained the 45 (which is the same as the LP version) of "Where Peaceful Waters Flow" and sure enough none of the cd's in the database contain the correct version of this song!
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Has anyone come across the correct hit version of Gladys Knight & the Pips' "Where Peaceful Waters Flow" on an import CD? It's hard to believe this song has never appeared in its 45/LP version form on a domestic CD release!
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Any chance the version of this song that always turns up on
CD was previously on a vinyl LP hits compilation prior to
the CD era? Also does the 45 really run (4:22) like the
listed time says?
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does anyone own the vinyl lp 'imagination' that contained
the song originally that could verify the actual running
time of the original album version?
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interesting....santi sent me a file of the song for me to
review and it sounds the same as my vinyl 45 except the
intro synth flutter and some channel reversals......i then
went back and listened to the song on the cd special music
4909 'vbo'.....and it sounds the same as santi's track
running 4:25......paul c....i'm not hearin what you are
hearing regards to the acoustic guitar....BOTH my vinyl 45
and cd have the same components.....you may want to review
this one again.....
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i reviewed this one again and listened to the first 0:30 of
the song and they sound pretty consistent to me......if
there is any difference, certainly not enough to warrant an
'lp/45' difference notation.....i'm sorry guys, i'm just
not hearing it....
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Ed it would certainly help if you would proved matrix numbers when you think there may be two different pressings of a vinyl 45. The differences are immediately obvious on my vinyl 45 and the cd Very Best Of on Special Music. There is a wah wah effect on an electric guitar on the introduction on the Very Best Of on Special Music and all other cd's for that matter that is not present on my vinyl 45. Matrix number on my dj 45 is BDAS-363LA-2 on the stereo side and BDA-A-2 on the mono side. Neither side has the wah wah guitar on the introduction.
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I've once again compared my U.S. commercial 45 with the common CD version, and there is definitely an extra guitar present throughout the song on the CD version that is not on my 45. The only change I would make from my initial post is that the extra guitar on the CD version is there in addition to the acoustic guitar and not in place of it. Since the difference is not subtle (it's obvious from the very first note) and Ed doesn't detect it, it looks like there were two different commercial 45s.
The matrix number on my 45 is not easy to read, but it appears to be BDAS-363A followed by a 2 in a circle. Elsewhere in the runout groove there is a triangle followed by 91660.
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my commercial 45 issued as buddah 363 is also very hard to
read and has 'BDAS-363-A SON S - 3794'....i do not see the
inscription 91660 anywhere in the groove......it also has
'good sound' in script further around the groove....there
must be two different pressings......
Paul C....can i send you a copy of my vinyl 45 for your
analysis?
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ok, mark was more specific in his review of the song and
it's on the immediate intro that the guitar wah-wah is
missing from the vinyl 45 version.....thanks everyone here
for there patience with me on this one.....i will now agree
that the 45 intro is different than the cd intro....
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edtop40 wrote:
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That actually reads "Bell Sound", which was the NYC recording studio that cut the lacquer for the 45. My styrene stock 45 matches Paul's, which is a Monarch pressing from Los Angeles. In addition to the "delta 91660" number and the "Bell Sound" script logo, there's also the Monarch logo: a co-joined "MR" inside a circle.
While I don't have a vinyl-pressed copy of "Peaceful Waters," I do have multiple copies of a Kama Sutra single that debuted on the Hot 100 just one week later: "Brother Louie." My stock copy is a styrene Monarch pressing with the same style of deadwax details as the "Peaceful Waters" Monarch 45 above. My promo copy is vinyl, with the same "SON" inscription Ed had on his "Peaceful Waters" 45 (The "SON" stood for Sonic Recording Products, which was located in Holbrook, NY, on Long Island, at the time.) But aside from the markings specific to those two particular pressing plants, everything else about the actual cuttings matches, meaning the plates used at the respective east and west coast pressing plants had been sourced from the same, NYC-cut Bell Sound lacquer. Odds are excellent that the same had also been true for the "Peaceful Waters" 45.
In any event, it's great to know we're now in agreement as to where peaceful wah-wahs flow. ;)
BTW, here's a way you can often tell at a glance that a 45 was cut on Bell Sound studio's 45 lathe, without even looking at the deadwax: the lead-in groove area is noticeably wider than what you'll find on almost all other late-'60s and '70s 45s, and it takes about three revolutions to get from the outer edge of the record to the playing area. In addition to many Buddah and (post-MGM-distributed) Kama Sutra 45s, you're also likely to encounter Bell Sound-cut 45s on the London Records family of labels from that period, as well as the Amy/Mala/Bell group (no relation to Bell Sound Studios.)
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