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A few questions about this huge hit:
1) Was the 1960 and 1962 versions that hit #1 exactly the same recordings or were there slight differences or words that differed?
2) Why are all recordings in stereo re-recorded?
3) If it's available in stereo somewhere in its offical 45 version on CD is it available without being re-recorded on a CD?
If anyone can shed some light, much appreciated. I didn't see anyone posing this particular question before. For a hit so huge not to have a stereo release somewhere on CD that is not re-recorded and on some compilation surprises me.
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I'm sure there are forum members far more knowledgeable on this topic
than me, but from what I understand, the original Cameo Parkway
recording was not available on any legit CD in any version, neither
mono nor stereo, until 2006. For what reason, I'm not sure. Even Rhino
uses a re-recording on their Billboard disc, and they almost never used
re-recordings. I remember being repeatedly disappointed when I
bought more than one CD looking for the original version (before I knew
about Pat's books and database).
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Oh, and to answer your #1 question, the 1960 and 1962 45s are the
same version. Come to think of it, I'm not certain I have ever heard a
true stereo version of the original hit. Even TM Century GoldDiscs use
the mono with some light stereo reverb added, and they tried to avoid
mono whenever possible on those discs.
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Aaron is correct that the 1960 and 1962 versions are the
same. The original, hit version was not recorded in
stereo. This is why all stereo versions are re-
recordings.
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Allen Klein kept the original Cameo-Parkway stuff off the
reissue market for several years. That's why Chubby had to
do re-recordings of his hits.
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Paul Haney wrote:
Allen Klein kept the original Cameo-Parkway stuff off the
reissue market for several years. That's why Chubby had to
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Thank you Paul for clarifying. I am trying to create the most accurate mono/stereo representation in my personal collection and did not want to include a stereo version of The Twist if none was actually recorded and released.
Thank you Aaron and BrianW for your knowledge about if it was the same exact version.
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Original recording on Cameo here is mono only. 1960. and
1962 same performance. Cameo/Parkway was mainly a mono
only label save for a very few titles. All Stereo
recordings are re-recordings.
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Are there any vocal (note/ pitch) changes or instrument alterations to
differentiate the 1960 and re-recorded Twist versions?
They all seem to sound tin-y on Youtube (i.e.: hard to detect whether original
stereo or remastered from mono) and I don't trust what random Youtube
posters label the clips as.
Really trying to get the original, pure version.
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jebsib wrote:
Are there any vocal (note/ pitch)
changes or instrument alterations to
differentiate the 1960 and re-recorded Twist versions?
They all seem to sound tin-y on Youtube (i.e.: hard to
detect whether original
stereo or remastered from mono) and I don't trust what
random Youtube
posters label the clips as.
Really trying to get the original, pure version.
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Well, all stereo versions are re-recordings, recorded
for other labels, so if you want the original version,
go with the mono from one of the official ABKCO CDs.
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Or you could pick up on the ERIC CD of 'Hard to find
Jukebox Classics 1960-1965', in which they do a
spectacular job
with the DES on 'The Twist' -Bill.
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jebsib wrote:
Are there any vocal (note/ pitch)
changes or instrument alterations to
differentiate the 1960 and re-recorded Twist versions?
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The re-recordings have super big cymbals right from
the start... that's the easiest way to tell. Beyond
that, the snare drum is softer in the mix and the beat
is more of a four-on-the-floor style (with the
aforementioned open hi-hat cymbals). On the opening
note played by saxophone after the introductory snare
hit, the dynamics of the note don't change.
On the original version, the opening saxophone note
after that introductory snare drum hit gets louder in
the first four beats and the music has better dynamics
overall.
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Thank you guys. Really helpful.
I also detect that Chubby's voice is marginally higher in the original, but it may
just be the (antique) versions that I have.
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