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While the database was up and running, I made some notes about incomplete entries --
"Two Doors Down" - Dolly Parton -- all listings should read "single version". The album version (from the "Here You Come Again" LP) has yet to appear on any CD (including the CD of that LP).
"What About Me" - Moving Pictures -- there's a single and album version of this song (mix differences). I believe only the single version has come out on CD and should be listed as such in the book.
"King of the Hill" - Oak -- you wrote "single length", but it should be "single version". If you compare the single and album versions, you'll notice on the last sung note, "hill", the instrumentation drops down on the single version but not on the album version, to showcase the singer's long held note presumably. Also, during the instrumental fadeout, the brass is louder on the single mix.
"The Sign" -- Ace of Base -- some CDs contain an extra pickup note before the intro which is not on the single version. (I don't have the album version but I assume the one with the extra note is the album version.)
Pat, do you agree with all these assessments?
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I know Halloween was yeterday but I know I corrected the Dolly Parton entry and even mentioned it in the old errata page.
With regards to the Ace Of Base, I have the cassette single and the cd "The Sign" and there is no difference between them. Does anyone else have a version with a pickup note?
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I did a little more research with the Ace of Base CDs I have -- and there are two different versions of "The Sign." The promo CD single (ASCD-2653) starts right on the downbeat, but "Platinum and Gold" and "Greatest Hits" have these two extra "pickup" drumbeats before the downbeat (i.e. that preface the main part of the song, as based on the dj version).
However, Pat, you have none of the CDs I have, and I have neither your CD or cassette!
So there are 2 possible conclusions here -- either there's a dj version (with 2 less intro drumbeats) -- or your CD album and cassette single are identical to my dj CD single (the less-drums version), meaning that the versions on "Platinum And Gold" and "Greatest Hits" should be called "Neither the single or album versions."
Which intro is on your 2 versions?
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I just noticed that the Air Supply hit "Just As I Am" is listed in 1983, when it should be listed in 1985.
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I don't hear the mix differences you mention Gordon on "What About Me". Can you detail more specifically the mix differences you hear?
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The version of "The Sign" on "Platinum & Gold" and "Greatest Hits" does not match the cassette single or the version found on "The Sign" cd on the introduction. I believe the version on "Platinum & Gold" and "Greatest Hits" is missing a fraction of a second of the introduction but I will let the editing wizards tackle that question.
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To me, the two versions start very differently -- the one with the two extra drum hits sounds very jarring if you're familiar with the single/album version. Does anyone else have both versions and hear the differences on the introductions?
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Yes I agree they are very different but I think one is just a fraction of a second shorter than the other.
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The two extra "pre-song" drumbeats probably only last about one second, so this alternate version isn't dramatically different time-wise, but hearing two loud drumbeats preceding the song as we know it certainly would warrant a "neither the single or LP version" comment. If a person wanted to edit the single/album version from this alternate version, they would simply have to edit out the first two pickup drumbeats and start the song on the downbeat.
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Pat & EdisonLite, you seem to be disagreeing on how the intro begins. Pat says it's too short (the first second or so was clipped off), while EdisonLite says it has two "extra" drum beats. Which is it? I don't own either of the CDs with the problematic intro.
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That's an interesting point. I have "Platinum & Gold" and "Greatest Hits" as well as the dj cd single, and from that, I can say that the versions on P&G and GH have longer intros.
Pat, when you say --
"I believe the version on "Platinum & Gold" and "Greatest Hits" is missing a fraction of a second of the introduction "
are you saying that if you edited out the first two drum beats, you cannot get the single/album version because a fraction of the true intro would be missing?
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I will leave the editing comment up to our mixmasters to determine whether the introduction starts early or late on the "Platinum & Gold" and "Greatest Hits" cd's (plus others you can see now in the database). My time is consumed right now with entering data that I could not enter for the past two weeks while the database was down.
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The hit "Voices Carry" is listed in the database as performed by JOHNNY TILLOTSON instead of 'TIL TUESDAY. There must have been some kind of error when you uploaded it to the server.
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I have "What About Me" by Moving Pictures on two CDs: Then '80s - Totally Oldies 5 (Varese Sarabande 302066444) and Moving Pictures' Days of Innocence CD, which I believe has only been issued in Canada (UniDisc AGEK-2069). I did an A/B comparison between the two CDs and noticed some subtle differences. I concur with EdisonLite's comments that the Then '80s disc contains drum hits underneath the guitar licks during the intro. These drum hits are absent on the Innocence CD. Also, the midrange is boosted way up in the mix on the Then '80s disc. I don't know if this is reflective of the EQ on the actual 45 or if this is the way the song was mastered for this particular CD. I'm going to try to acquire an vinyl 45 copy of "What About Me" and compare it to the Then '80s CD. If they match up, then this disc should probably have a (45 version) comment added next to it in the database.
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Pat,
my copy of "Beautiful People: The Greatest Hits Of Melanie" has "Peace Will Come (According To Plan)" in mono, yet you indicate stereo? Different pressing or mistake?
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David,
I just listened to "Peace Will Come" by Melanie and it does sound mono on my headphones but when I look at an oscilloscope trace it looks like very poor stereo separation. Could someone that has the software, widen this song to see if it really has stereo separation?
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Todd,
I can send you the 45 version taken from vinyl of "What About Me" as well as the vinyl LP version if you need them.
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Pat:
Sure, feel free to send me mp3s of both. Thanks!
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I just got around to doing an A/B comparison of the vinyl 45 and vinyl LP version of "What About Me" that Pat was kind enough to e-mail me as mp3 files. I found them both to be identical. This inspired me to go back and more closely re-listen to the song on the Then '80s - Totally Oldies 5 and Moving Pictures' Days of Innocence import CDs. It turns out the drum hits actually do appear during the song's intro on both CDs... It's just harder to hear them on the import disc because of the way it's equalized (EQed), but the drum hits are there. And for the record, the EQ on the Then '80s CD most closely resembles the EQ of the 45 and LP.
Now, EdisonLite also graciously e-mailed me an mp3 copy of the alternative mix of "What About Me" he speaks about earlier in this thread. I listened to it and it does sound like it was remixed. The drums are definitely more prominent in this mix and the EQ is considerably different. EdisonLite says he got this mix from a friend who downloaded it off Napster, but neither EdisonLite nor I know where this mix originally first surfaced.
But anyway, to sum up the main point... the 45 and LP version of "What About Me" are the same and thus no distinction needs to be noted in the database.
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Re: What About Me - Moving Pictures...
I'm sure it was mentioned that there were two (2) different releases for that song, the original Network 45 in 1982, and the re-release in 1989 on Geffen.
I seem to recall it wa the Geffen 45 in 1989 that was remixed. Is that the version you have Gordon?
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