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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Also, while Peter Cetera belts out the verse: "next time I fall... in love... next time I fall in love, it will be with yoooou", you can hear loud electric guitar strums from 1:12 to 1:19, from 2:15 to 2:21, and from 2:59 to 3:05 on the CD, yet the electric guitar sounds buried on the vinyl 45 during these time frames. |
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I respect the post that "Todd wrote".
My easy method to distinguish the difference is the listening to the time from 2:15 to 2:16 (or 1:13-1:14 or 2:59-3:00).
The LP version has "the sound like "the horse is running" by the electric guitar".
The running times of the commercial 45 and the LP"Solitude/Solitire"(U.S. issue) are "3:43"(Also the listed times).
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Since no one ever commented on abagon's observation regarding the "horse galloping" electric guitar effect heard on the LP, I thought I'd resurrect this thread for a final judgment call over whether database CD appearances of "Next Time I Fall" should contain 45/LP version notations.
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Hi All.
For what it's worth, i figured i'd chime in.
Over the years on this board, there's a certain level of exact-ness that has become the norm for identifying different versions.
Seems to me, if one notices anything different in a mix, it's a different mix and should say "45 mix". One man's "subtle" is another man's smack in the face, i suppose.
The only thing i would want as a subscriber is that if a difference is noted on the entries, like "mix" or "version" that a brief comment is included at the top that says what that difference is.
All the entries that have that are the most useful, in my opinion.
BTW, side note, i never databased my own collection, so I really find this subscription most useful for finding my own music when I can't remember where i have it!
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MMathews wrote:
The only thing i would want as a subscriber is that if a difference is noted on the entries, like "mix" or "version" that a brief comment is included at the top that says what that difference is. |
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That would open up a can of worms, not only in the vast amount of work necessary to go thru every single vs. album vs CD reissue vs remastered CD reissue vs GH collection and note mix differences that may be difficult to describe. Also, as you noted a mix difference that may be glaringly obvious to you might be so subtle as to not be noticed by someone else...witness the continuing stream of posts making note of newly discovered mix differences.
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That's a good point, Mark. And since the "version" vs. "mix" debate has popped up in yet another thread, why not chime in (again)? I've always been a little confused about what constitutes a "mix" designation.
I really like your suggestion of adding notes next to the song title, but again, it sounds like a painstaking process for Pat to manage. What's great is that you can always ask the question here on the board (if it hasn't already been posted), and you'll usually get an answer within a day, sometimes even minutes after you post.
I've always viewed the "45 version" as a generic term to encompass all instances when the 45 was different, other than just the length. To me, it's kind of like when the record label uses the term "single version." That term could mean many things---an edit, a mix difference, different lyrics, etc. Furthermore, it can become very cumbersome and just as confusing to use a plethora of terminology, which is why I think keeping it simple is best. At the same time, I like to know what those differences are, so I'm certainly not opposed to more detailed labeling.
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While Mark's suggestion sounds great in theory, I agree that going back through the database and documenting every specific 45/LP version and mix difference in detail would be a monumental task (I can picture Pat cringing at the mere thought of it!). There have been numerous mix differences and edit instructions described in depth over the years on this board, so the best bet for anyone seeking this type of information would be to conduct an artist or song title search using the "Search" feature located at the top of the message board. If the answer cannot be found through this process, then I echo Aaron's advice to post a question here on the board and chances are someone will be able to provide a good response.
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Someone recently emailed me about the single version. Since Pat does not designate in the database, I will do so in this thread for CDs I know for certain:
(S) (3:42) &nb sp; Starland Music/Warner Special Products OPCD-4572 Starland Music Presents Reflections Of Love (45 version)
(S) (3:43) &nb sp; Time-Life R138-18 Body Talk (45 version)
(S) (3:43) &nb sp; Time-Life R834-06 Body Talk - Only You (LP version)
I'm not certain which mix is on these CDs:
(S) (3:43) &nb sp; Warner Brothers 25474 Peter Cetera - Solitude/Solitaire (I presume this is the LP version)
(S) (3:39) &nb sp; River North 514161250 Peter Cetera - You're The Inspiration - A Collection
(S) (3:39) &nb sp; A&M/UTV Records B0003415 and B0002106 Amy Grant - Greatest Hits 1986-2004
(S) (3:43) &nb sp; Time-Life M19234 It Takes Two - Classic Duets
Because of the additional percussion (as noted below), I would call this a "version" rather than just "45 mix."
Edited by aaronk on 26 March 2012 at 6:31pm
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By the way, on the 45 mix, at the very beginning, the synth has a very clean sound. On the LP mix, it sounds like there are wind sound effects layered on top.
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There are actually a couple differences that I'm hearing, and they aren't just placement of instruments. Here's what I'm hearing:
1) As noted in the last post, the LP version has subtle "wind" sound effects over the intro synthesizer that are not present on 45 version. (That's the best way I can describe it, but it's probably a harmony synthesizer that was removed on the 45.)
2) During the chorus, there is a tambourine and shaker on the 45 that I don't hear on the LP.
To point out the additional percussion, it would be like this on the single:
Next time I fall (shaker x3, snare drum)
In love (shaker x3, snare drum, tambourine shake x3)
I'll know better what to do
(this pattern continues throughout the chorus)
On the LP version, I'm only hearing the light tap of a high hat, but certainly no shakers or tambourines.
Edited by aaronk on 26 March 2012 at 6:30pm
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I had no idea that the 45 was a remix, even after hearing
the song a thousand times on the radio in 1986, and even
after carefully combing through all the 1986 Hot 100
entries for all the different versions that are out there
- twice!
One more subtle difference: The bassline from 0:18 to
0:20 has some extra notes in the LP version, compared to
the 45 version, where it doesn't do much at all.
Comparing the two Time-Life discs noted above side-by-
side, the 45 mix is MUCH brighter, although that could
just be the mastering. Reflections of Love (1996)
sounds extremely close to Body Talk (1994), and I
suspect they use the same analog transfer.
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Thanks for the detailed analysis, guys.
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Fantastic, Aaron.
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more of a shame is that the Time-Life Body Talk CD (the one without a sub-
name) was the prototype for the series. Shame that when the track appeared
on "Only You", they used the LP version.
Edited by davidclark on 05 April 2012 at 12:21am
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