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EdisonLite wrote:
| Wow, that's strange. So Aaron, are you saying the version on 54 vol. 2 uses BOTH the hit mix from vinyl AND the original mix from master tape and makes a brand new edit that does not match anything previously existing like the 12" version or an LP version? |
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That's what it sounds like to me, Gordon. What I hear is the following:
hit mix from 0:00 to 0:57 (sounds like vinyl)
original mix from 0:57 to 3:21 (sounds like CD; volume significantly louder)
hit mix from 3:21 to end (definitely vinyl)
The original is easy to spot since there's no tambourine in the right channel, and there certainly isn't one from 0:57 to 3:21.
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Wow, that's bizarre. I mean - why would anyone bother to do that particular edit??
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Wow, this is wild...
I just went on a peer-to-peer site and downloaded a (labeled) extended version of "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet" (8:02) and SURE ENOUGH the 'meat' of the song is the lame original mix while the rest is a vinyl version of the John Luongo extended mix with Jimmy Maelen's extra percussion!
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Working my way backwards through 1979, and I thought this track would be a piece of cake, since I have the 45 and five CDs that have the song.
Well, as you can see by this thread, not so easy.
I, too, have the 45 that runs 4:57. It's got the same matrix number as labeled above, with an all-red Capitol label, and a printed time of 3:45. It's got a credit of "Additional Editing & Mixing by John Luongo", so it's definitely edited down from a 12" version. It's also got a 1977 copyright date. Can't tell if the Luongo mix was made in 1977 or in 1978/79 when the song was a US hit.
(It says "Recorded in England" and is written/co-produced by Gloria Jones - is this the same Gloria Jones who was Marc Bolan's girlfriend and recorded the original "Tainted Love"?)
The non-Luongo mix is easy to identify - there's no shaky tambourine anywhere in the song.
This mix turns up on:- EMI Australia's Seventies Complete Vol. 2 (5-CD set, 1999, runs 3:53, best-sounding of the bunch)
- Disky EU's Greatest Hits Of The 70's (8-CD set, 2000, runs 4:08, clips a lot, copyright date of 1979, for what it's worth)
- Disky EU's Wow That Was The 70's (8-CD set, 1999, runs 3:51, also has copyright date of 1979, sound horribly maximized - bleh!)
The John Luongo mix is easy to spot, due to the prominent shaky tambourine in the right channel. This mix does turn up on a CD:- PolyGram Australia's The No. 1 Seventies Album (2-CD set, PolyGram 5657462, 1998, runs 4:20, copyright date of 1979 on inside booklet, "hit" chart date of 1977 on back cover)
The intro and outro on this Australian CD are different from the 45, but the guts of the song is indeed the same. The portion of the 45 from 0:23 to 3:32 is on the CD version from 0:51 to 4:00. The CD intro sounds like the backing track to the chorus and one verse, rather than a 12"-style breakdown with whistling, like on the 45.
I remember the song having a tambourine from when I heard it on the air in 1979, but beyond that I can't remember which would have been the "hit" version - the 4:57 Luongo-mix 45 I have or an early fade of the Luongo-mix that runs 3:58. Plus, I don't know which would have been the "hit" anywhere else in the world. The 4:57 45 is kinda flat-sounding with not a lot of bass, probably due to the long running time, so I'm using the Australian Luongo-mix CD as my preferred version.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 18 February 2009 at 7:44pm
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The John Luongo mix is easy to spot, due to the prominent shaky tambourine in the right channel. This mix does turn up on a CD:- PolyGram Australia's The No. 1 Seventies Album (2-CD set, PolyGram 5657462, 1998, runs 4:20, copyright date of 1979 on inside booklet, "hit" chart date of 1977 on back cover)
The intro and outro on this Australian CD are different from the 45, but the guts of the song is indeed the same. The portion of the 45 from 0:23 to 3:32 is on the CD version from 0:51 to 4:00. The CD intro sounds like the backing track to the chorus and one verse, rather than a 12"-style breakdown with whistling, like on the 45.
I remember the song having a tambourine from when I heard it on the air in 1979, but beyond that I can't remember which would have been the "hit" version - the 4:57 Luongo-mix 45 I have or an early fade of the Luongo-mix that runs 3:58. Plus, I don't know which would have been the "hit" anywhere else in the world. The 4:57 45 is kinda flat-sounding with not a lot of bass, probably due to the long running time, so I'm using the Australian Luongo-mix CD as my preferred version. |
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I had no idea what a can of worms this song would turn out to be when I started this thread back in 2006!
Based on the feedback in this thread, the hit version is a remix by Luongo, with some 45s running 4:56 and others fading early at 3:45.
But it sounds like the Australian CD you reference above does not contain the complete "long" hit mix.
Do you know if the hit 45 version running 3:45 can be extracted from the Australian CD?
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Roscoe wrote:
But it sounds like the Australian CD you reference above does not contain the complete "long" hit mix.
Do you know if the hit 45 version running 3:45 can be extracted from the Australian CD? |
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If the 3:45 45 is truly an early fade of the 4:57 45, then no, it can't be recreated. The 45 intro isn't on the Australian CD.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Roscoe wrote:
But it sounds like the Australian CD you reference above does not contain the complete "long" hit mix.
Do you know if the hit 45 version running 3:45 can be extracted from the Australian CD? |
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If the 3:45 45 is truly an early fade of the 4:57 45, then no, it can't be recreated. The 45 intro isn't on the Australian CD. |
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Bummer. Looks like I'll have to stick with my needledrop.
BTW, my 45 also has a somewhat soft sound. The mix may be soft, but even in the old vinyl days they would usually punch it up a bit in the mastering for a disco song like this one. I don't usually EQ my needledrops but I may give this one a bit of a bass & treble boost.
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Crapfromthepast: Would it be possible to send me a WAV of the "PolyGram Australia's The No. 1 Seventies Album" version (via YouSendIt.com or pando.com), so I can take that version and edit in the intro from a very clean vinyl version I got from MMathews (who sent me a WAV of his hit 45 version taken from his 12"). I remember it being very clean. This would mean I can create a version that's all from CD except the first 23 seconds (which will be from very clean vinyl) and this may be the closest thing we'll ever have to a CD version of the hit version. (And if you want to hear my results, just let me know.)
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I've been trying to create the hit single version of "Haven't Stopped" - using as much as I can from CD sources. Ron G sent me this Australian version which contains the hit single mix from 0:23 to 3:32, but the remainder of the 45, 3:32 to 3:46 CANNOT be gotten by using/editing previous sections of this version. So....I see the database lists the 12" version (all of which, I assume, can be edited into the hit single -- or maybe just the "post-3:32" section can), and that it's on 2 Thump CDs: (1) Latin Disco and (2) Dance Freak & Boogie box set. So can the "post-3:32 section" be found on this 7:33 version on the Thump CDs? And is the hit single intro on there as well? If either the intro or outro is on there, could someone please send a WAV? Thanks.
And one last question, does this 7:33 version ALSO contain certain sections from vinyl, as do previously-mentioned longer versions of this song? I guess the big question is: can the hit single mix be created from any CD (or combo of CDs), without using vinyl or CD sections that came from vinyl?! And has anyone already done this?
This is becoming one of the strangest single mixes to acquire!
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One last question about the version on the Australian CD: Does anyone know if this is the Australian single mix? And are the first 51 seconds unique to only that recording?
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I was about to buy the Thump CD with the 12" hit single mix (minus the last 27 seconds) clocking in at 7:33 AND THEN I READ THIS:
Andrew C writes:
<Wow, this is wild...
I just went on a peer-to-peer site and downloaded a (labeled) extended version of "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet" (8:02) and SURE ENOUGH the 'meat' of the song is the lame original mix while the rest is a vinyl version of the John Luongo extended mix>
Wow, this is even wilder! I'm a little concerned that the Thump CD will be the same as this digital 8:02 version faded 27 seconds early, which would mean that the 7:33 version on Thump contains PARTS of the original mix. So Pat, can you check your Thump CD and compare it to your 12" vinyl and make sure it really doesn't contain the original mix in certain segments. (Or if you don't have the desire, can you send me an mp3 of one of the Thump CDs so I can very it's the remix all the way through, before I purchase the CD)?
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Well I can only confuse matters even more but let me preface this first with the fact that I only have the original 45 in my collection and not the hit Capitol 4674 remix version.
My 12" single is a dj SPRO-8984 and it states additional editing and mixing by John Luongo and runs (8:00). The version on the Thump cd's is fairly close to this vinyl 12" single but the Thump cd's are mixed slightly differently with some instruments such as the horns mixed lower on the 12" single and yes the Thump cd's are just an early fade of this 12" single.
However, this 12" single is not the version found on my copy of the "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet" vinyl LP and MMathews says in an earlier post that his 12" single is the version found on this vinyl LP. So I am wondering if there were two 12" single versions!
Per EdisonLite's request, I will send an mp3 of the Thump version for his examination.
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Pat says:
<However, this 12" single is not the version found on my copy of the "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet" vinyl LP and MMathews says in an earlier post that his 12" single is the version found on this vinyl LP. So I am wondering if there were two 12" single versions! >
MMathews says there were 2 releases of the "Haven't Stopped Dancing Yet" LP - the 1st release contains the original single (non-hit) mix, and the 2nd release contains the 12" remix, according to him. So the fact that your actual 12" single doesn't match your LP - I don't think it's a case of there being 2 12" versions necessarily, but rather that you have the original LP (with original non-hit single mix) and not the 2nd pressing of the LP.
So hopefully, this will clear up the confusion, and I suspect there are not TWO versions of the 12" remix.
On the other hand, you bring up another point -- that this mix on Thump is slightly different than the mix on the original 12" - which WOULD suggest there are 2 versions of this 8-minute remix -- unless it's more a case of the way Thump re-EQ'd and compressed the file. That could have altered the "sense" of how loud the horns are.
Looking forward to your mp3 of the Thump CD. It will be interesting to see also if they have segments from vinyl, too.
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I just discovered that there is a CD with the correct, full 12" mix. It's called Grand 12" Inches (vol. 1), and it's an import on Sony. I cannot say for sure if it's a vinyl dub or not, but the listed run time is 7:59.
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Pat Downey wrote:
| The version on the Thump cd's is fairly close to this vinyl 12" single but the Thump cd's are mixed slightly differently with some instruments such as the horns mixed lower on the 12" single and yes the Thump cd's are just an early fade of this 12" single. |
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Pat, the reason you are hearing mix differences on the Thump CD is because they have edited in part of the original mix. The notation for this CD should probably be "neither." Also, the sections that do match the 12" single are taken from vinyl.
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aaronk wrote:
| I just discovered that there is a CD with the correct, full 12" mix. It's called Grand 12" Inches (vol. 1), and it's an import on Sony. I cannot say for sure if it's a vinyl dub or not, but the listed run time is 7:59. |
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The Grand 12 inches series are meticulously compiled and mastered by Dutch club D.J. Ben Liebrand. I have most of these cd sets, and only a couple of tracks on them were mastered from vinyl, and it's noted when they are. Based on this, I'm relatively certain this version derives from a better source.
I have an import cd single of "Haven't Stopped Dancin' Yet" from Unidisc Canada, from the "12 inches on cd" collection of cd5s, but I don't recall if there's a short version on it as well. I can look, if anyone's interested.
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Yes, Steve, I'm interested in both the short version, and if the long version is the 12" remix version that can be edited to be the single.
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Here's what I've got. 2 songs by two totally unrelated artists on a Unidisc Canada cd5:
No single edit on it, but a digital master of the full 12" mix at 8:02. Give me your preference of file type and/or bitrate and an email address large enough to hold it, and you can have a listen to mine.
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Thanks to Steve, I was able to hear the 12" version from his Unidisc CD. Unfortunately, this is the same butchered version that keeps popping up elsewhere. The beginning and end are taken from vinyl, while the middle section is the non-hit version from CD source. Bummer!
Steve, I wonder if your Grand 12" Inches CD actually has it right.
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Really? Let me look for the Liebrand cds.
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