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Would anyone be able to provide edit points for the studio side of Money Changes Everything? :)
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Bush - Comedown ==> Single version - 4:08. Album version - 5:24. Promo CD copies of the single run 4:08, but states a time of 4:19 (Trauma PRCD 6297). |
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My U.S. commercial CD single is the full 5:24 LP version. T.I., is your 4:08 single a CD single or cassette single? (I don't know what was on the cassette single and I don't believe a 7-inch single was issued.)
Edited by Paul C on 10 May 2010 at 7:34am
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aaronk wrote:
"Money Changes Everything."
The A-side of the 45 was an edit of the "Live" version found on The Best Remixes
The B-side was an edit of the studio version, which was a much more straight-forward edit. No repeated or rearranged parts. |
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I wasn't aware that the live version was supposed to be the "A" side, ISTR the studio version getting the airplay around here (though the live version was used in the video).
My promo copy is just a white-label version of the commercial 45 with no designation of plug side.
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Hykker, there is a big thread on this board that includes many details of "Money Changes Everything." The conclusion, as you correctly recall, is that the studio edit is the hit radio version. The "live" version can be considered the A-side for two reasons:
1) It says "Live" on the picture sleeve.
2) The matrix number on the "live" side is one number lower than on the studio side. (Also, the Canadian 45 clearly says "Side One" on the "live" side.)
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I'm bringing this thread back from purgatory and wanted
to comment on a couple of Todd's entries:
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Prince - The Most Beautiful Girl in the
World ==> Single - 4:06. Album - 4:36. |
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The single and album are different. The album version
is re-edited and contains elements not on the single.
The single version is also on a CD single.
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Seduction - Two to Make It Right ==>
Single version - 4:16. Album version - 4:41. (available
on vinyl 45)
The single version is the '7" Remix'. This information
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My 45 single is double-sided. One side contains the "7"
Remix which has a transposed pitch, and has either the
vocal transposed, or sung at a different pitch than the
album version. It also has the same edit points as the
other side of the 45 which is simply an edit of the
album version.
Local radio around here played the album mix. It's hard
to say which version was the hit version, as both sides
were played on radio, including the unedited album
version.
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Keith Sweat - Make You Sweat ==> Album -
5:18. (Whitburn - 3:38) (available on vinyl 45)
I'm currently trying to find out if the 3:49 version on
the CD Best of - Make You Sweat (Elektra/Rhino 73954) is
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The CD runs 3:45. I would safely say it is the single
version. I don't have the vinyl single so I can't say
if it is spead up, though.
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The Hits Man wrote:
I'm bringing this thread back from purgatory
and wanted
to comment on a couple of Todd's entries:
Quote:
Prince - The Most Beautiful Girl in the
World ==> Single - 4:06. Album - 4:36. |
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The single and album are different. The album version
is re-edited and contains elements not on the single.
The single version is also on a CD single. |
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If you're referring to The Gold Experience, you're correct that it's a
different mix with different elements. That album, however, was not
released until over a year after the single was a hit. I haven't ever
considered that to be the parent album, but instead I have treated the
EP as having the "LP length" and the 2-track CD single as having the
"45 length."
The Hits Man wrote:
Quote:
Seduction - Two to Make It Right
==>
Single version - 4:16. Album version - 4:41. (available
on vinyl 45)
The single version is the '7" Remix'. This information
comes to you once again courtesy of Edtop40. |
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My 45 single is double-sided. One side contains the "7"
Remix which has a transposed pitch, and has either the
vocal transposed, or sung at a different pitch than the
album version. It also has the same edit points as the
other side of the 45 which is simply an edit of the
album version.
Local radio around here played the album mix. It's hard
to say which version was the hit version, as both sides
were played on radio, including the unedited album
version. |
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I seem to recall talking about this in another thread, and if my memory
is correct, they are different vocal takes between the two. I can't recall if
the instrumentation was rerecorded or pitch shifted (transposed), but I
think it's a complete rerecording.
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aaronk wrote:
I seem to recall talking about this in another thread,
and if my memory
is correct, they are different vocal takes between the
two. I can't recall if
the instrumentation was rerecorded or pitch shifted
(transposed), but I
think it's a complete rerecording. |
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To me' it
sounds like the same recording, but the producers played
around with the pitch a lot!
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They are fairly close, but if you compare the vocal inflections between
the two, you'll notice that they are different vocal takes.
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I have. I'll check them again to see if I can hear
differences through the different pitches.
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One obvious place is in the last verse, a couple lines before the chorus.
Compare the line "we can really turn this mutha out." Very different
singing on that part.
Edited by aaronk on 23 July 2016 at 11:36am
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This is the original 'almost' white label
promo vinyl maxi:
Survive/release/687174">
https://www.discogs.com/Chantay-Savage-
Survive/release/68717 4
Edited by Loveland on 15 April 2020 at 5:05pm
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Todd Ireland wrote:
P.M. Dawn - Looking Through Patient Eyes ==>
Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:06.
Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix".
Like all other P.M. Dawn Top 40 hits, the radio
mix/single version is mixed hotter and brighter than its
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There's almost no mention of P.M. Dawn's "Set Adrift
On Memory Bliss" anywhere in these forums, but this
post led me to research it because both the "Best Of PM
Dawn" CD and their debut "Of The Heart, Of The Soul, Of
The Cross... The Utopian Experience" is out of print
(likely because of this song's Spandau Ballet sample...
there's only a later re-recording of the song on Spotify
and other streaming services).
If you can track down the Best-Of CD, that's where you'll
find the Radio Edit of "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss".
It's a louder mix with more prominent vocals and fades
about 10 seconds earlier than the album version, but the
distinctive difference is the last line of the second
verse -"That's the way it goes, I guess"- it's sung
acapella on the radio edit, whereas the album version has
it with the song's drum track in the mix.
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The Radio Mix and LP version of "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" are definitely different mixes. The most notable difference is in the choruses following each verse, where the Radio Mix repeats the line "baby you send me" and adds some additional "da da da" singing on top of the Spandau Ballet ad-libs.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Karyn White - Romantic ==> Single length - 3:55.
Album length - 4:05. (available on vinyl 45)
Commercial cassette single copies state "Edit" on the
sleeve, but the single is really just an early fade of
the album length. The single and album length have both
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The "Single Mix" on the "Romantic" CD Maxi-Single
(https://www.discogs.com/release/174416-Karyn-White-
Romantic) has Karyn's ad-libbed "ooh, yeah baby baby... I
wanna get ro-mannntic" lines in the first 20 seconds
removed from the mix entirely.
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Yeah, Shep Pettibone often made his own "single mix" in that era. Sometimes it wasn't all that different, but he'd always change something, like the tambourines. So if you see his name on a "Single Mix" or "Single Version", be aware that it may or may not have been on a 45, and that an LP edit he didn't work on probably also exists.
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The promo CD labels the versions "Edit" and "Album Version," and the "Edit" is an early fade of the "Album Version." The cassette single is also labeled "Edit," so it's likely the same early faded version. The "Single Mix" on the maxi-CD is a different mix from start to finish.
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