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Posted: 20 May 2005 at 9:17pm \| IP Logged

Todd, regarding Mike & The Mechanics - Taken In, I believe that the 45 is just an early fade of the LP version so unless anyone can prove differently, should we call the 3:55 appearances on cd the "45 length"?

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Posted: 20 May 2005 at 9:27pm \| IP Logged

I don't have a copy of the "Taken In" 45, Pat, so I'll certainly take your word for it that it's an early fade and that CD appearances running 3:55 should be referred to as the "45 length".

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Posted: 26 May 2005 at 9:07pm \| IP Logged

Mo Thugs Family featuring Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Ghetto Cowboy ==> Single version - 4:27. Album version - 5:24.
Commecial single copies feature the "Video Edit".

Eddie Murphy - Party All the Time ==> Album version - 4:13. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45)

Nas - Street Dreams ==> Album version - 4:39. (Whitburn - 4:07)

Natural Selection - Hearts Don't Think (They Feel)! ==> Single version - 3:58. Album version - 4:15.
DJ and commercial copies of this single contain a "remix edit" running 3:58 and a "radio remix" clocking at 4:00. The radio remix is the version I recall hearing on my local Top 40 station.

Aaron Neville - Everybody Plays the Fool ==> Single version - 4:03. Album version - 4:24. (available on vinyl 45)
Edtop40 informs me the single version is a remix called the "7" Listen Baby Mix".

Ivan Neville - Not Just Another Girl ==> Single version - 3:54. Album version - 4:05. (available on vinyl 45)

New Edition - A Little Bit of Love (Is All It Takes) ==> Album version - 4:07. (Whitburn - 3:29) (available on vinyl 45)
Although I don't have a commercial 45 for verification, I believe the single version is on the New Edition Hits (Geffen 000172802) CD released in late 2004.

New Edition - I'm Still in Love with You ==> Album version - 4:38. (Whitburn - 3:42)
It looks like the commercial single version, also known as the "Single Edit Acapella Intro Version", is on the New Edition Hits (Geffen 000172802) CD as well.

New Kids on the Block - You Got It (The Right Stuff) ==> Single version - 3:32. Album version - 4:09. (available on vinyl 45)
I'm pretty sure the DJ edit running 3:32 that Pat mentions in the 10th edition is the same as the single version.

Next - I Still Love You ==> Album version - 4:13. (Whitburn - 3:58)
CD single copies contain the "radio edit" with a stated run time of 3:58.

Nicole featuring Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott & Mocha - Make It Hot ==> Album version - 4:26. (Whitburn - 4:04)
My research indicates commercial single copies contain the "Radio Version".

Nikki - Notice Me ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 5:07.
Commercial single copies state "remix/edit".

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Posted: 27 May 2005 at 6:10am \| IP Logged

Todd you have a bad habit of using the term "45 version" for songs that are really "45 length". Such is the case with Party All The Time by Eddie Murphy. The actual running time is (4:07) not (3:58) as stated on the record label and it is simply an early fade of the LP which runs (4:13).

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Posted: 27 May 2005 at 8:26am \| IP Logged

Moderator wrote:

If you look at the way I've listed the "Party All the Time" entry again, Pat, you'll notice I don't have the 45 so I have absolutely no way of knowing if the single and album are differences in "version" or "length". In these cases I've just been listing "Album version" by default and including Whitburn's listed commercial single run time to show the significant time discrepencies between the two. If it's less of a nuisance, I'll just type "Album" instead of "Album Version" from now on. At the very least, I hope the information I've been voluntarily working very hard on my own time to provide has been helpful in uncovering and revealing previously unnoticed single and album differences.

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Posted: 27 May 2005 at 10:10am \| IP Logged

Yes, Todd, your info has been very helpful to us chat members. I've understood, since your first email on the subject, that you don't have several of the singles so you are listing the times as they appear in Whitburn. I also understood you were using the term "version" whether it was an edit or a fade. Your suggestion of making future listings simply as "Album 4:13, Single 3:58", for instance, will certainly clear up any misunderstandings for people used to the terminology set up in Pat's book.

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Posted: 27 May 2005 at 5:30pm \| IP Logged

I always find your posts helpful and informative, Todd.

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Posted: 31 May 2005 at 4:01pm \| IP Logged

Thanks very much for the positive feedback, EdisonLite and Brian W. I do appreciate it.

There is an entry I should've included two posted messages ago:

Natural Selection featuring Niki Haris - Do Anything ==> Album - 3:56. (Whitburn - 3:57)
Cassette single copies state "single mix". I don't have the single so I don't know if this mix is actually different than the one on Natural Selection's self-titled CD.

Ok, let's move right along now to the next 12:

Nine Inch Nails - The Day the World Went Away ==> Album - 4:33. (Whitburn - 4:03)

98 Degrees - Because of You ==> Single version - 3:55*. Album version - 4:54. (Whitburn - 3:53)
Commercial single copies are reported to feature the "radio edit".

95 South - Whoot, There It Is ==> Album - 3:03. (Whitburn - 7:03) (available on vinyl 45)

Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit ==> Single - 4:57. Album - 5:00. (available on vinyl 45)
I just picked up a used cassette single copy of this song. The cassette states "edit" with a printed run time of 4:30. This is incorrect however as the single actually runs 4:57 and is the same as its album counterpart only slightly faster. I have also seen promo CD copies that state "edit" with a 4:30 run time. These DJ copies probably really do have an edit though because I remember hearing a shortened edit of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" played on local Top 40 radio.

The Notorious B.I.G. - One More Chance/Stay with Me ==> Album - 4:42. (Whitburn - 4:14)
Commercial single copies are reported to feature the "radio edit".

'N Sync - (God Must Have Spent) a Little More Time on You ==> Single - 4:00*. Album - 4:39. (Whitburn - 3:58) (available on vinyl 45)

Nu Flavor - Heaven ==> Single - 4:07*. Album - 4:54. (Whitburn - 4:06) (available on vinyl 45)
According to my research, CD single copies state "radio remix".

Billy Ocean - License to Chill ==> Single length - 4:33. Album length - 4:52. (available on vinyl 45)

Ol Skool featuring Keith Sweat & Xscape - Am I Dreaming ==> Single version - 4:08. Album version - 5:46.
My commercial CD single copy leads off with the "radio edit".

Benjamin Orr - Stay the Night ==> Album - 4:26. (Whitburn - 4:10) (available on vinyl 45)

Ozzy Osbourne - Mama, I'm Coming Home ==> Album - 4:11. (Whitburn - 3:18) (available on vinyl 45)

Donny Osmond - My Love Is a Fire ==> Album - 4:27. (Whitburn - 3:54) (available on vinyl 45?)

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You are correct, Todd. The promo copies of "Teen Spirit" by Nirvana contained an edit. It does actually run 4:30. The commercial CD single had the "Edit" version listed on the back, but I don't own it, so I don't know if it's a misprint like the cassette single.

Notorious BIG's hit "One More Chance/Stay With Me" is completely different on the album, and it is simply titled "One More Chance." Commercial copies of the CD single have two different edits, "Radio Edit 1" and "Radio Edit 2"; the former edit being the most commonly played version. Both radio edits are the remix version not found on the album, while the mix on the CD single labeled "Hip Hop Mix" is the same as the album version.

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Posted: 02 June 2005 at 3:36pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for the information on "One More Chance/Stay with Me", Aaron. Do you happen to know the actual run times for the radio edits as they appear on the commercial CD single?

When "One More Chance..." was a hit in 1996, Billboard magazine considered the cassette single to be the standard configuration of all commercial single formats. Does anyone know how long the song runs on the cassingle?

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Posted: 03 June 2005 at 7:05am \| IP Logged

Radio Edit #1 - 4:15
Radio Edit #2 - 4:38

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Posted: 04 June 2005 at 5:58am \| IP Logged

Regarding Benjamin Orr - Stay The Night, the vinyl 45 runs 4:26 not (4:10) as reported in Whitburn's Pop Annual.

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Posted: 04 June 2005 at 12:54pm \| IP Logged

[QUOTE=Todd Ireland] Lil' Kim featuring Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott and Angie Martinez - Not Tonight ==> Album version - 4:23. (Whitburn - 4:12)

I have just obtained the cassette single of this song and it runs 4:12 and is a censored version of the LP version that appears on the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose". The cassette single or 45 version fades :12 sooner than the LP version.

Now my question is with regards to the LP version which would be the soundtrack to "Nothing To Lose" which states "remix" on the jacket. This "remix" is a remix of what other version?

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Posted: 04 June 2005 at 1:41pm \| IP Logged

Pat:

I don't have the album, but "Not Tonight" is also supposedly on Lil' Kim's Hard Core (Atlantic 92733) CD. Based on the information I've gathered, the four female performers- Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, and Angie Martinez- do not appear on the version of "Not Tonight" on the Hard Core disc. It is reported this version instead features rapper Jermaine Dupri. Therefore, it looks like the four featured female performers were later added to the so-called remix on the Nothin' to Lose soundtrack.

Hopefully, someone can verify the above information and get back to us.

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Yep there is a song on is on "Hard Core" titled "Not Tonight" but it is a totally different song both lyrically and musically. The "Hard Core" version samples George Benson's "Turn Your Love Around" while the so called "remix" samples "Ladies Night" by Kool & The Gang. The credit given to the composers is totally different and quite frankly I hear nothing in common between the two versions and would never draw the conclusion that one was a remix of the other. They appear to be two different songs with the same title by Lil' Kim.

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Posted: 13 June 2005 at 1:42pm \| IP Logged

The Outfield - Your Love ==> Single length - 3:22. Album length - 3:36.
Thanks to Edtop40 for confirming this.

OutKast - Player's Ball ==> Album - 4:21. (Whitburn - 3:40)

Kevin Paige - Anything I Want ==> Single version - 3:45. Album version - 4:45.

Paperboy - Ditty ==> Single version - 4:00*. (Whitburn - 3:58)
I was looking at a used copy of the cassette single in a local used record store recently. I remember the cardboard sleeve indicating that the cassingle contains the "clean radio version" or "censored radio version" or something to that effect.

Partners in Kryme - Turtle Power! ==> Album - 4:17. (Whitburn - 3:47)
Promo CD single copies are reported to contain a "single edit". I'm pretty certain this is the version featured on commercial copies.

Peach Union - On My Own ==> Single version - 3:41. Album version - 4:54.
Ed confirmed for me that his commercial CD single features the "single mix" as the leadoff track and runs 3:41. Both the CD and cassette single also contain the "R.H. Factor Radio Edit" found on the various artist CD Boom! (Beast 54112).

Pebbles - Love Makes Things Happen ==> Single version - 4:31*. Album version - 5:08.
The single version appears on the Pebbles Greatest Hits (Hip-O 542521) CD, which is not listed in the 10th edition. I don't have a commercial single copy so I can't confirm the actual single run time, but I do know Greatest Hits contains the single version.

Ce Ce Peniston - Finally ==> Album - 4:03. (Whitburn - 4:20)

Steve Perry - You Better Wait ==> Single version - 3:42. Album version - 4:50.
The single version is the "radio edit".

P.M. Dawn - Paper Doll ==> Single version - 3:53. Album version - 4:50.
Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix" as the leadoff track. It is a much hotter and brighter mix than the one on the Of the Heart, of the Soul and of the Cross: The Utopian Experience (Gee Street 314514517 and 32510) CD. The background vocals are much more prominent in the radio mix/single version and the chorus contains a hi-hat cymbal not found on the album counterpart. Therefore, the single is not just an early fade of the album, but a different version as well.

P.M. Dawn - I'd Die Without You ==> Album - 4:10. (Whitburn - 3:43)
Commercial cassette single copies have the "Radio Edit".

P.M. Dawn - Looking Through Patient Eyes ==> Single version - 4:06. Album version - 4:06.
Commercial single copies contain the "Radio Mix". Like all other P.M. Dawn Top 40 hits, the radio mix/single version is mixed hotter and brighter than its album counterpart. The best way to distinguish the difference between the two versions of "Looking Through Patient Eyes" is the passage between the :09 - :15 mark. During this time frame, a stringed instrument (I can't quite tell if it's a viola or a cello) can be heard on the single version, but is absent from the album version.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 13 June 2005 at 7:36pm

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Posted: 13 June 2005 at 3:39pm \| IP Logged

Regarding Paperboy's "Ditty," I'm 99% sure that the "Radio" version was also the one used on the full-length album. I have the version called "Radio" on a radio compilation disc, and it's the same as the LP Version on both my cassette and vinyl LPs (explicit version).

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Posted: 13 June 2005 at 7:41pm \| IP Logged

But the "clean" or "censored" version of "Ditty" is on commercial single copies, right? Or are you saying there are no differences between the censored and explicit versions of this song?

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Posted: 13 June 2005 at 10:51pm \| IP Logged

As far as I know, there has never been an "explicit" version of the original mix of "Ditty." Even the explicit version of the album has the "radio" mix on it.

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Posted: 13 June 2005 at 11:11pm \| IP Logged

One interesting thing about Outkast's "Player's Ball" is that it was originally issued on a Christmas compilation, and it was titled "Player's Ball (On Christmas Day)." Outkast later included the song on their full-length debut album, and simply titled it "Player's Ball," changing some of the lyrics to make it less of a Christmas song.

I know there are at least two commercial CD singles available---one with the "Christmas" versions (LaFace 24061) and one without (LaFace 24066). The 3:40 time that Whitburn lists may actually be a radio edit of the Christmas version. I have the "Radio Version-Clean" of the non-Christmas version, and it clocks in at 4:12.

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