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Paul Haney wrote:
| Pat, I just timed the RR commercial copy of "When The Heart Rules The Mind" by GTR. The label states 4:27 but actually runs 4:10! What do all of you here suggest we show as an "official" time in the Pop Annual? |
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My bad on this one! When I got the 4:10 run-time I didn't realize that the turntable was calibrated wrong (arghh, I hate when that happens). I made the correct pitch adjustment and the 45 ran 4:28 (label states 4:27). So it looks like this "mystery" is solved.
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Oops... I just realized I've been forgetting to indicate vinyl 45 availability for singles in the past several sets of entries. I went back and made notations regarding 45 availability when applicable.
Let us now complete our final sprint to the finish line...
Karyn White - Romantic ==> Single length - 3:55. Album length - 4:05. (available on vinyl 45)
Commercial cassette single copies state "Edit" on the sleeve, but the single is really just an early fade of the album length. The single and album length have both appeared on domestic CD releases.
Vanessa Williams - Running Back to You ==> Single version - 4:16. Album version - 4:39. (available on vinyl 45)
Edtop40 reports his cassette single copy indicates "edit" on the sleeve and incorrectly states a run time of 4:04. The actual time clocks in at 4:16.
Winger - Can't Get Enuff ==> Album - 4:19. (Whitburn - 4:05)
Winger - Easy Come Easy Go ==> Album version - 4:02. (Whitburn - 3:43)
My research reveals the cassette single contains a remixed version.
Trisha Yearwood - How Do I Live ==> Single version - 4:24. Album version - 4:01. (available on vinyl 45)
Yes - Rhythm of Love ==> Single version - 4:23. Album version - 4:46. (available on vinyl 45)
The commercial 45 face states: "edited from the Atco LP 90522" and further indicates this is the "vocal" version. (credit: Edtop40)
ZZ Top - Velcro Fly ==> Single version - 2:50. Album version - 3:28. (available on vinyl 45)
Whew! After over seven months, 1,235 pages, and at least 275 single/album version entries, we've officially combed through the entire 10th edition of Top 40 Music on Compact Disc from A through Z! I'd like to thank everyone for all their valuable contributions to this thread. I also wish to extend a very special thank you to Edtop40 for working in tandem with me throughout this enormous project. I'll still continue to post updates periodically as they arise and encourage everyone else to do the same. I'm sure there are still plenty of single and album differences out there we haven't yet uncovered.
Carry on!
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Well done, Todd! Thanks for your valuable contribution to the board! Props to Edtop40, too.
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Thanks for an outstanding job, Todd and Ed. It's really been a help to me in my collecting. Very impressive.
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[QUOTE=Todd Ireland]
12 Gauge - Dunkie Butt (Please Please) ==> Album - 4:17. (Whitburn - 4:21)
I've done some digging on this one and retail single copies feature the "Radio Version" as the A-side/leadoff track with a printed run time of 4:18, while the B-side/Track 2 contains the "Album version" with a stated time of 4:24. That's all the information I have at this time.
Todd, I just picked up the cassette single of "Dunkie Butt" and here is what I found. The "A" side states radio version running 4:18 but it appears to really be just the LP version as found on the "12 Gauge" cd. The "B" side states that it is the LP version which it is not as it has 6 extra drum beats to open the song that are not found on the LP (it does run 4:24 as stated on the cassette single).
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I still haven't been able to get my hands on my CD single of "Dunkie Butt," because it's packed away at my parents' house. I seem to recall that the two versions that Pat mentions above have different vocal takes, in addition to the difference Pat mentions.
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I have several updates regarding several TLC single/album distinctions...
TLC - Baby-Baby-Baby ==> Single version - 4:14. Album version - 5:14.
The cassette single is the "album radio edit". The single version appears on the trio's Now & Forever - The Hits (Arista 50208) CD, but is faded :17 early.
TLC - What About Your Friends ==> Single - 4:04. Album - 4:53.
The cassette single contains the "album radio edit (w/ rap)" and is found on the Now & Forever - The Hits CD. I don't have the album version/length, so I don't know if the single is really an edit or just an early fade of the album. I'll leave it to Pat to figure that part out.
TLC - Hat 2 Da Back ==> Single - 4:07. Album - 4:16.
The single version is the "radio edit" and appears on the Now & Forever - The Hits CD. Again, I don't have the album version/length, so I don't know if the single is really an edit or just an early fade of the album.
(Thanks to Pat for providing the tracks from the TLC Now & Forever - The Hits disc and to Edtop40 for sharing his cassette single versions.)
Edited by Todd Ireland on 14 October 2005 at 12:26pm
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Regarding What About Your Friends -- there is a distinct LP version found on LaFace 26003.
Regarding Hat 2 Da Back -- there is a distinct LP version found on LaFace 26003.
There are other TLC songs that I need help with identifying what version is on cd if anyone would care to look at all of the listings for TLC.
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I don't think I ever mentioned this, and I don't know how many people know it, but back in 2002 there was a test program by I think Universal in select cities to see if CD singles impacted album sales. So a few CD singles were released in these cities that were not released nationally, but somehow or other CD Universe got hold of some of them and were selling them. Can't recall what they all were, but one of them was Nelly's "Hot in Herre," which I did buy.
The commercial domestic CD single for "Hot in Herre" was a two-track, with the Radio Edit as track one and the Clean Album version as track two, both running an actual 3:48.
Here's the weird thing: I swear to God they are the exact same track. I can detect no mix or censorship differences between them at all. (And it appears the only thing censored is the F-word at 1:27.)
Anyway, it sounds like the censored album version is the "45 version."
Edited by Brian W. on 18 October 2005 at 1:23am
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With regards to "Hot In Herre," the promo single has more than one edit. One track is the "clean" version and another is the "super clean" version. If I remember correctly, the "super clean" version removes the word "ass" while the "clean" does not. I'm not sure which version appears on the censored album--that might be a different edit altogether.
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Jeez, if you take out the word "ass" there's hardly any song left!
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God bless Nelly...
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Natural Selection featuring Niki Haris - Do Anything ==> Album - 3:56. (Whitburn - 3:57)
Cassette single copies state "single mix". I don't have the single so I don't know if this mix is actually different than the one on Natural Selection's self-titled CD. |
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Even though cassette single copies of "Do Anything" state "single mix", Edtop40 recently verified for me that this mix is exactly the same as the album version. Therefore, no single/album distinction applies here.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
Mary J. Blige - Be Happy ==> Album - 5:48.
The single and album version are likely the same, but we won't know for sure until someone can check and report the run time on a commercial single copy. |
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It has been confirmed that the single and album version of "Be Happy" are the same (the single actually runs 5:49, one second longer).
Edited by Todd Ireland on 23 November 2005 at 12:09am
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I was able to hunt down a copy of the promo CD single for "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" by NKOTB. What's interesting is that the lead track is listed as "Single Version" and runs (4:09). The second track is the 7" Remix and runs (3:34) although the label says (3:32). This remix is not a subtle one--it's drastically different than the "Single Version," which sounds like the LP version to my ears...although I don't have the LP to do a direct comparison.
Does anyone own the 45 who can check to see if it was the "remix" version or "lp/single" version used?
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My 45 of "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" (Columbia 38-08092) has
the LP version on the A-side, although there is a remix credit on the 45
label. The B-side is a remix that runs 3:34 even though it says 3:32.
And I want you to know that I'm deeply resentful of having to out
myself as the owner of New Kids On The Block 45s just to help you.
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Paul Esch wrote:
My 45 of "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" (Columbia 38-08092) has
the LP version on the A-side, although there is a remix credit on the 45
label. The B-side is a remix that runs 3:34 even though it says 3:32.
And I want you to know that I'm deeply resentful of having to out
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Don't feel bad! I have the CD...but it's not a bad CD! It's quite enjoyable!
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The database currently states that "commercial copies were all (3:32)" so that should probably be changed to reflect the newly discovered info in the above post.
I must admit, I was slightly embarrassed walking up to the counter with that disc in my hand.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| The 45 version of Cyndi Lauper's "Time After Time" is not an early fade. If you edit out the first instrumental loop right after the chorus from 1:37 to 1:45 on the LP version, you essentially get the 45 version. |
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Hey, just to clarify...do you mean that the single version features the second half of the instrumental portion between 1:37-1:45, or does it remove the entire 1:37-1:45 section?
Thanks! :)
Also, does anyone know if Money Changes Everything was an early fade or an honest to god edit.
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Underground Dub wrote:
| Hey, just to clarify...do you mean that the single version features the second half of the instrumental portion between 1:37-1:45, or does it remove the entire 1:37-1:45 section? |
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If you start with the LP version, you'll need to remove the section between (1:37) and (1:45), which is only half of the instrumental section.
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| Also, does anyone know if Money Changes Everything was an early fade or an honest to god edit. |
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I have done homemade edits on both versions of "Money Changes Everything." The A-side of the 45 was an edit of the "Live" version found on The Best Remixes (Japanese import). If you're going to attempt this edit, good luck! I spent at least two or three hours on it. There are segments repeated, parts rearranged, and tons of edits.
The B-side was an edit of the studio version, which was a much more straight-forward edit. No repeated or rearranged parts.
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