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Posted: 04 September 2006 at 8:31pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
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you state that all commercial copies of the single run 3:32....both my cassingle and my 45 run 4:09, and are identical to the full cd/lp version.....could you have the promo/dj 45 as your point of reference....

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:15am | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
My point of reference is indeed the promo vinyl 45 where the "A" side of this song is a remix which runs (3:32). The "B" side runs (4:09). Now comes the question of which side received the most airplay, the "A" side or the "B" side.

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 5:25am | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1
I dont remember ever hearing a remix of it on the radio when growing up, what my sister had on the album was what we heard on the radio.

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 6:22am | IP Logged Quote edtop40
the 4:09 is the a-side and got airplay....

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 8:11am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
In my area (Albany-Schenectady-Troy market) the 3:32 remix edit was the only version that recieved airplay.

The album mix was lame, and the remix had additional melodic hooks.

All the mainstream bars & clubs in this area played the long 12-inch version; the 3:32 was an edit of this.

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 12:41pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
Apparently the 4:09 version is the commercial 45 version, regardless of which received more airplay. It seems to me the shorter version should be referred to as DJ Edit in the database.
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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 8:38pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
agreed

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 8:41pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
I could be mistaken but I think both versions were on the commercial 45. That is the problem in determining which side is the hit side. Whitburn seems to feel the remix is the hit side as he lists (3:32) as the running time in his Pop Annual.   
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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 9:25pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
interesting one here regarding the 45's matrix number.....the 45 does not state an a-side or a b-side, but using the standard procedure of the lower matrix number this one may be inconclusive...........the 4:09 side has a matrix number of zss 08092c while the 3:32 remix side has zss 08092a.....so maybe it's possible the remix IS the a-side.......anyone else with any info....although the 45's picture sleeve clearly states on the rear........"you got it (the right stuff)" b/w "you got it (the right stuff)" (remix)

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I'll have to check my promo CD single to see which version is on track 1. More info soon...
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Track 1 - Single Version (4:09)
Track 2 - 7" Remix (3:32)
Track 3 - 12" Version (5:18)

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Posted: 06 September 2006 at 11:54pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
AndrewChouffi wrote:
In my area (Albany-Schenectady-Troy market) the 3:32 remix edit was the only version that recieved airplay.

I don't ever recall hearing the remix on any stations in my area. My TM Century GoldDisc also contains the (4:09) "single version."

AndrewChouffi wrote:
The album mix was lame, and the remix had additional melodic hooks.

I suppose one could argue that BOTH versions were lame. After all, it was New Kids On The Block. :)
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Posted: 07 September 2006 at 1:27am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
Oh, I didn't realize the commercial single has the remix on one side and the LP version on the other.

Well... the A-side isn't necessarily the "hit" side, then. For example, the ODB remix of Mariah Carey's "Fantasy," which was the B-side of the single, is almost universally acknowledged as the "hit" version.

Maybe you could simply list (45 A-side) and (45 B-side) in the database. Or just list them as (LP Version) and (Remix), with a general note saying one side of the single featured the LP version and the other side the remix.



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Brian W. wrote:
Well... the A-side isn't necessarily the "hit" side, then. For example, the ODB remix of Mariah Carey's "Fantasy," which was the B-side of the single, is almost universally acknowledged as the "hit" version.


Interesting, Brian. I always considered the album version to be the hit version. Both top 40 stations in my area played the album version of "Fantasy." I was working at one of them, and given such a small market, we would almost ALWAYS play the non-rap version.

I remember when "Tha Crossroads" was a huge hit. For several weeks of its chart run, it was dayparted to play only after 5:00 PM. We also played the no-rap mix of "Waterfalls," "Twisted," and several other major hits of that time.
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Posted: 07 September 2006 at 12:36pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
Well, that's what I've read, Aaron. Presumably that's why she used that version on her Number Ones CD.
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I imagine the major markets probably played the ODB mix. They were probably less concerned about playing "no rap" versions.
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Posted: 09 September 2006 at 9:43am | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Brian W. wrote:
Oh, I didn't realize the commercial single has the remix on one side and the LP version on the other.

Well... the A-side isn't necessarily the "hit" side, then. For example, the ODB remix of Mariah Carey's "Fantasy," which was the B-side of the single, is almost universally acknowledged as the "hit" version.

Maybe you could simply list (45 A-side) and (45 B-side) in the database. Or just list them as (LP Version) and (Remix), with a general note saying one side of the single featured the LP version and the other side the remix.


I just checked the database and it looks like Pat has pretty much gone with your suggestion, Brian. Should the 3:32 remix ever surface on a domestic CD release, I think a comment should appear next to that CD indicating that it is indeed the single remix.
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aaronk wrote:
Track 1 - Single Version (4:09)
Track 2 - 7" Remix (3:32)
Track 3 - 12" Version (5:18)

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Back in 1988-1989 the 7" remix was all the craze with the girls in my school and it got all the airplay. However it seems with the passage of time the single version on Track 1 is the one that everyone now accepts as the hit version, which I guess depends on what station you listened to and what part of the country you were in. I would consider the 7 inch mix as a hit version as well like Andrew mentioned.

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Discogs also lists a promo 45 on Columbia
CS7-01335, which has the remix version on
both sides.

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Posted: 28 October 2018 at 11:15am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I don't recall hearing the remix in my area. The music video also uses
the Single Version (aka album version), so surely that's what MTV was
airing. Still, it seems that both are "hit" versions based on many other
markets playing the remix and the fact that it appears on the B-side.

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