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Posted: 20 February 2007 at 1:25pm \| IP Logged

I had completely forgotten to ask my parents to dig for my 45 copy. I'll make a note to have them pull it out, and we can see if my commercial copy's matrix number matches Jim's promo 45 with the remixed faded version.

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Posted: 22 May 2007 at 7:01pm \| IP Logged

I just did a comparison of my 13 CDs that feature this song, including null tests, and I thought I'd post my findings.

Sounds Of The Eighties 1987 (Time-Life R988-09, 1995) is digitally exactly 2 dB louder than Body Talk Once In A Lifetime (Time-Life R834-15, 1997), digitally exactly 2.5 dB louder than Modern Rock 1986-1987 (Time-Life R828-04, 1999) and digitally exactly 3 dB louder than Body Talk Hearts On Fire (Time-Life R834-21, 2000).

The mastering on all of the above Time-Life CDs is horrendously maximized/compressed, and should be avoided if possible.

Living In Oblivion Vol. 3 (EMI 27674, 1994) is digitally identical to both Mystic Music presents Cool Rock (Cema S22-18168, 1995) and Retro Lunchbox Gooey Love Songs (EMI-Capitol 72438-19718, 1997) and is same version but slightly different EQ as Now That's What I Call Music '86 (Virgin EMI [UK] CD NOW 86, 1986). The NOW and Living In Oblivion CDs can null to about -40 dB, so the EQ is pretty close.

The mastering on the EMI discs is quite good, and is not maximized at all.

All of the above feature the common version with the fade at about 4:35.

Rock Of The 80's Vol. 3 (Priority 53704, 1992) is horrendously maximized/compressed, like the Time-Life CDs. Same 4:35 fade.

Totally '80s (Razor & Tie/Warner Special Products OPCD-4544, 1993) is mastered by Steve Hoffman, and is the best-sounding version in existence. Same 4:35 fade.

Now 1986 (Virgin EMI [UK] 27068, 1993) is mastered fairly well, but has a slightly shorter fade at around 4:23. Most of the tracks on the 1993 Now collections have truncated fades, in order to fit 20 tracks per CD.

Greatest Hits Of The 80's (Disky [Europe] 8-CD set 853222, 1998) is mastered fairly well and has the same 4:35 fade.

The "A" List (Swaitek, 1994) has the cold synth ending at 4:44. I think this is the remix version (see post below), while all the others are the non-remix.

(I apologize if this info isn't all that useful, but I felt the urge to post it somewhere, so that it wouldn't be lost to history.)

Edited by crapfromthepast on 22 May 2007 at 7:37pm

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Posted: 22 May 2007 at 7:47pm \| IP Logged

I dug out my 45, and I have the promo 45 with a sleeve. Odd, but that's what showed up at my college radio station at the time, and since we didn't play 45s on the air - yoink!

The credits on the 45 label say 4:23 (the true time is somewhere between 4:23 and 4:25), the deadwax says "SVTR-51287-1", the printed matrix number on the label is ST-VR-51287-SP, and the label clearly says "Remixed by Shelly Yakus".

To my ears, I had difficulty picking out the remix/non-remix versions unless I had them side-by-side. I couldn't hear the reverb on the vocals described in the above posts. I did notice that the remix version is quite a bit louder in the soft passage around 3:30 than the non-remix version. And the snare sound in the remix is a bit more boomy and a little less defined than in the non-remix. When you have the remix and non-remix files side-by-side on an editing program, you'll see that the remix fades ever-so-slightly faster than the non-remix, but you probably won't hear the difference.

I think one way to tell them apart is that the remix is a tiny bit faster (125.1 BPM) than the non-remix version (124.9 BPM on all my CDs except The "A" List), which leads me to think that my version on The "A" List (see above post) is the remix with the cold synth ending.

Now I mentioned that my promo 45 came with a sleeve. The sleeve is apparently for the commercial 45, because my promo 45 is the same on both A- and B-sides, and there's a B-side listed on the sleeve. The sleeve front has a large Cutting Crew, with a dotted line separating the top color scheme (green/gold) from the bottom (grey/white). The back of the sleeve has text that gives credits for both A- and B-sides. The time given for the A-side is 4:41, and it clearly reads "REMIXED BY: shelly yakus (i just) died in your arms".

If the sleeve is correct, then at least one pressing of the commercial 45 should have the remix with a length of 4:41, which should be the cold synth ending. That version turns up on The "A" List, and I would think it would turn up on the TM Century discs as well, since the two collections are pretty similar.

Anyone else have a sleeve?

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Posted: 23 May 2007 at 12:29am \| IP Logged

Mine has a sleeve, but again, it's in Michigan. Every time I call my parents, I forget to ask about it :( Sorry! Although I don't have hard evidence to prove it, my theory is as follows:

- 4:35 faded version is the original LP version
- 4:25 faded version is the remixed, shorter 45 version (also on DJ 45s)
- 4:44 cold ending version is the remixed, longer 45 version (included on some/most/all CD pressings of the "Broadcast" album)

Again, this is only my speculation, but I'm still not convinced that Pat's DJ 45 is different from Jim's, other than the matrix number.

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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 9:41am \| IP Logged

I have my 45 copy in my possession. I will have access to a turntable shortly, but in the meantime, my deadwax info is STVR 51238-25 Q R-17222-2 Precision (delta)15480 1-1. My copy also says "Remixed by Shelly Yakus" and has a printed time of 4:41.

Edited by aaronk on 05 November 2007 at 9:41am

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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 10:32am \| IP Logged

My copy from the import Now: 1986 runs 4:29.

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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 10:34pm \| IP Logged

Well, my memory must have been having some difficulty trying to retrieve 20 year old information. My 45 copy DOES actually end cold with the synthesizer, but I could've sworn it was the fade out version. I must have been remembering the way I heard it on the radio in 1987 with the faded ending.

So, unless new information is presented, here's what we have on 7" singles:

- Some DJ copies contained the original mix faded to 4:26 (according to Pat)
- Other DJ copies have the remix version faded to 4:23 (Jim's copy)
- Commercial copies are all the remixed version running 4:43 (with the cold synthesizer ending)

Here's what we have on CD:

CDs that fade out to 4:34 are the original mix (vinyl LP version?); this is the version that appears on most discs.

Discs running 4:43 have the 45 version:
(S) (4:43) Virgin 90573 and 86002 Broadcast
(S) (4:43) Hip-O 40080 Essential '80s: 1985-1989
(S) (4:43) Virgin 46589 First Generation - Twenty Five Years Of Virgin Records
(S) (4:43) UTV Records 440069612 Pure 80's Love: The #1 Hits

Discs running 4:24 have the remixed DJ version:
(S) (4:24) EMI 91419 MTV, BET, VH-1 Power Players
(S) (4:24) JCI 3186 1985 - Only Love - 1989

Assuming that the mixes are all the same on the discs not listed above (the non-remixed version), those discs should probably contain the comment "LP version" or "neither," depending on which mix appeared on the original vinyl LP for Broadcast.

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Posted: 04 October 2008 at 3:10pm \| IP Logged

Thought I would revisit this thread, since I've gotten some new CDs in the past year.

I found a CD with the remix, running 4:43, and having cold synth ending: Rock On - Everybody Have Fun Tonight: 1987 (Madacy RO-2-5187, released 1998). It's definitely the remix (no little guitar strum at 0:33, lots of reverb on the snare, break at 3:30 is not that much quieter than rest of song). It runs at 125.13 BPM. Sound on this song is surprisingly good - no compression/limiting or any other nasty artifacts.

I also found a copy of Broadcast, with the non-remix version. It fades, much like the common versions described above, and runs 4:38. It's definitely not the remix (little guitar strum at 0:33, not too much reverb on the snare, very quiet break at 3:30). It runs at 124.97 BPM, which doesn't really tell us anything.

The matrix number on my Broadcast CD is "86002 01# 03-14-94". The printing on the CD itself is spare black lettering - logo at top "Broadcast" in capital letters at bottom, Virgin and CD logos at right, and "0777 7 86002 2 0 / See booklet for details / (P) 1986 Siren Records, Ltd." at left.

So there indeed exists at least one pressing of the Broadcast CD with the non-remix on it.

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Posted: 04 October 2008 at 6:29pm \| IP Logged

AHA!!! Great info, CFTP!

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Posted: 07 October 2008 at 7:30am \| IP Logged

I have the U.S. release LP "Broadcast"and the Japan release LP.

I know that the Japan release LP has used the music source of the U.K. "(I Just) Died In Your Arms" on the Japan release is the remix by TIM PALMER (the actual running time is (4:36)).

This song on the U.S. release LP "Broadcast" is the remix by SHELLY YAKUS with the synthesizer ending (the actual running time is (4:43) with the listed time "4:41". This is the same as the U.S. commercial 45 that I have. (Virgin 7-99481). The running time (4:43), the listed time "4:41"

I think that the various CDs of this song on the data base have the music sources of the U.S. Mix or the U.K. Mix.
CFTP's information is very important. Thank you very much.

Please see the following 2 scans, The mixers are different each.

"Broadcast" LP (Japan release-Label)

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"Broadcast" LP (U.S. release, the half size of the back cover) Sorry for the large scan.

--abagon

Edited by abagon on 07 October 2008 at 7:45am

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Posted: 07 October 2008 at 7:51am \| IP Logged

Abagon, that is very interesting new information! Since the UK LP says "remix" by Tim Palmer, does that mean there is another non-remixed version? I like your theory about the many CDs possibly containing the UK mix. Good observation!

CFTP, does your CD copy of Broadcast say anything about Tim Palmer?

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Posted: 07 October 2008 at 8:18am \| IP Logged

I still have an unopened 12 inch copy of that one.
It was pressed to look like the logo of the band.
In fact it looked more like a saw blade.
The multiple copies of that one we got from Virgin were in plastic sleeves with most of them cut by the sharp edges of the vinyl.
Appreciate all the info about this one.
You guys are the best!

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Posted: 07 October 2008 at 8:23am \| IP Logged

Hi, aaronk. Thank you very much for your response. But I don't know the non-remix LP/CD. I think the non-remix version equals the music source of the U.K.

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Posted: 07 October 2008 at 8:39am \| IP Logged

I don't have my Broadcast CD at work, so I can't say whether it mentions who mixed "I Just Died".

I'd take the Tim Palmer reference with a grain of salt. From abagon's scans, we can see that the LP label says that Tim Palmer remixed the song, but the color-coded LP jacket says that Shelly Yakus mixed it. One of those is wrong.

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Posted: 08 October 2008 at 8:41pm \| IP Logged

I found the "extended remix" on the import cd single of One For The Mocking Bird. It runs 6:46

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Posted: 10 October 2008 at 10:55am \| IP Logged

crapfromthepast wrote:

I'd take the Tim Palmer reference with a grain of salt. From abagon's scans, we can see that the LP label says that Tim Palmer remixed the song, but the color-coded LP jacket says that Shelly Yakus mixed it. One of those is wrong.

The label scan is from the Japanese release, and the jacket is from the US release.

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Posted: 21 January 2009 at 8:05am \| IP Logged

Pat:
Cutting Crew's "(I Just) Died In Your Arms" has "U.S. mix" and "U.K. mix". Total 50 of CDs' tracks including this song need the comments for CDs of "U.S. mix" or "U.K. mix" on the database. (U.S. mix = the remix by SHELLY YAKUS/U.K. mix = the remix by TIM PALMER.) Although there are many different points between the U.S. mix and the U.K. mix. It's easy to distinguish the difference using the following point best.
U.S. mix stands out powerful electric guitar at 3:36.
U.K. mix stands out drums than the electric guitar at 3:36.
(Behind the lyric of "I just died in your arms tonight (from 3:32 to 3:35)" with only the synthesizer background.)
I believe you'll be able to understand it, when you compare the CD "Broadcast" of Virgin 90573 with the same title of Virgin 86002. I think that this work is very hard, Could you make my wish come true?

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 9:43pm \| IP Logged

I finally found time to go through all of the cd's that contain (I Just) Died In Your Arms and was able to classify each entry by the appropriate mix (either the Tim Palmer or Shelly Yakus mix). What was most confusing to me is that the U.S. vinyl LP "Broadcast" featured the US mix (the Shelly Yakus mix) while the "Broadcast" cd was issued in two different pressings, one the Shelly Yakus mix (Virgin 90573) and the other is the Tim Palmer mix (Virgin 86002). When I made a statement months ago about my dj 45 not being the remix (Shelly Yakus mix), I really meant that the dj 45 I own was not remixed from the U.S. vinyl LP. Since the Tim Palmer mix was the original mix then yes my dj copy is a remix and so is the US vinyl LP so I apologize for misleading readers.

The only difference I noticed between other readers input and my own research is that I disagree with Aaron when he suggests the mix on the cd JCI 3186 "1985 - Only Love - 1986" is the Shelly Yakus mix. On my cd it is the Tim Palmer original mix with matrix number "10 JCD 3186-2 01" faded :10 early. My guess is that there may be two pressings of this cd as the cd jacket states a time of (4:33) but actually runs (4:24).

Edited by Pat Downey on 16 February 2009 at 9:46pm

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Posted: 17 February 2009 at 1:10am \| IP Logged

I'm so grateful for your hard work concerning the "(I Just) Died In Your Arms". Thank you very much, Pat.

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Posted: 17 February 2009 at 6:17am \| IP Logged

Pat Downey wrote:

I disagree with Aaron when he suggests the mix on the cd JCI 3186 "1985 - Only Love - 1986" is the Shelly Yakus mix. On my cd it is the Tim Palmer original mix with matrix number "10 JCD 3186-2 01" faded :10 early.

Pat, while I have the Power Players compilation with the Shelly Yakus mix, I admittedly was assuming that Only Love also contained the same version since the times were the same. I'm glad you finally had time to review all of the CDs to verify for sure which mix is on each.

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