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I just finished cutting my CD version to match the stereo 45 edit. This edit doesn't appear to exist on CD, so I figured some of you might want to try this yourself. Some of the cuts involve weird overlaps, so I'll try to describe this as clearly as possible.
Start at 0:00 on the LP, and:
1 - At (0:43) fade out on the first two beats of "hard", while fading in "hard" at (1:18).
2 - At "hard", cut from (2:01) to (2:46).
3 - Cut from (3:55) to (4:39). (This sounds messy on the 45, with a double-drum hit. I can't replicate the messiness; this sounds too clean.)
4 - Cut from the downbeat at (4:54) to "Chestnut brown canary" at (5:10).
5 - Fade out the strum on the downbeat at (5:52), while fading in the guitar licks at (6:21).
Your finished edit list should have edits at 0:43, 1:26, 2:35, 2:50, and 3:33, ending at 4:35.
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TM Century has their own edit on GoldDisc, but I checked it once with the actual 45, and I can confirm that it is close, but not quite right.
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And some on this board have told me that the actual 45 was mono. I'm assuming a stereo edit was not issued.
Anyone who can confirm (Jim? Ed? Pat?)?
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Doug, both my 1969 commercial and promo 45s had the single edit only in mono. All stereo 45 versions I know of have been created "custom edits", which can be achieved as Eric references above.
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What appears on the reissue 45? I seem to remember that on my reissue 45, this side is a stereo edit while the flip side, Marrakesh Express is mono. Unfortunately I can't double check right now as I'm in the process of packing everything up and won't get to my 45s until i get the new boxes i ordered to house my 45s.
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Nice catch, Tom. I also happen to have that "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes/Marrakesh Express" reprint 45. As you correctly recall, while both sides state "CSG Processed Stereo", "Suite:...." is, in fact, stereo, while "Marrakesh..." actually appears in mono. I haven't listened all the way through the "Suite:...." reprint 45 yet, to see if it sounds right to me, but it does state a time of (4:35).
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jimct wrote:
| I haven't listened all the way through the "Suite:...." reprint 45 yet, to see if it sounds right to me, but it does state a time of (4:35). |
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I may have egg on my face -- I don't quite recall where my "stereo 45" source file came from, perhaps Skyline. I assumed it was that Atlantic reissue, but I can't verify that. If anyone wants to send me dubs of the mono and/or reissue 45s, I'm happy to double-check my findings for the board's edification.
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Eric, I will shoot you out both my mono 45 and my stereo reissue 45 for your analysis, but probably not until the weekend. Sorry - it's the best I can do, sir.
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Jim,
Is your reissue the older gold and black label, or the newer silver Atlantic oldies label? Reason I ask is I own a silver label reissue that is mono that I picked up maybe 15 years ago. I'm wondering if your copy may be a newer, revised edition by Atlantic (and may still be available some place)?
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My reissue of it with the one side in stereo is silver label version.
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john halloran wrote:
Jim,
Is your reissue the older gold and black label, or the newer silver Atlantic oldies label? Reason I ask is I own a silver label reissue that is mono that I picked up maybe 15 years ago. I'm wondering if your copy may be a newer, revised edition by Atlantic (and may still be available some place)? |
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John, years ago I had an earlier-era Atlantic reprint 45 for this, with both sides in mono, but once I got both songs on original promo and stock 45s, I sold it. I just found a second copy of the newer-era, silver label reprint 45 in my collection, again with "Suite:..." in stereo. John, PM me with your address info, and you'll receive one of my copies as a gift - us guys on the Board gotta stick together!
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eric_a wrote:
I just finished cutting my CD version to match the stereo 45 edit. This edit doesn't appear to exist on CD, so I figured some of you might want to try this yourself. Some of the cuts involve weird overlaps, so I'll try to describe this as clearly as possible.
Start at 0:00 on the LP, and:
1 - At (0:43) fade out on the first two beats of "hard", while fading in "hard" at (1:18).
2 - At "hard", cut from (2:01) to (2:46).
3 - Cut from (3:55) to (4:39). (This sounds messy on the 45, with a double-drum hit. I can't replicate the messiness; this sounds too clean.)
4 - Cut from the downbeat at (4:54) to "Chestnut brown canary" at (5:10).
5 - Fade out the strum on the downbeat at (5:52), while fading in the guitar licks at (6:21).
Your finished edit list should have edits at 0:43, 1:26, 2:35, 2:50, and 3:33, ending at 4:35.
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Hi, [forgot that I had been registered!longest absence..] There is alos that open part on the LP with "one two three four" whsipered AND the LP part of the third part of the first section..i.e. in short "tearing yourself away/from me now.." is sung differently than on the 45.[and though completely offtopic those wishing me a happy birthday,which would be August 12, please note that was a typo on my part.[]:) I have both the LP and CSG singles of that song.
Edited by Steve Carras on 29 January 2013 at 6:39pm
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I'm not sure which vinyl copy Eric used for creating his version, but there are no crossfades on the original CSG mono stock single. Also, I don't hear any vocal differences between the LP and 45 at the spot Steve references above.
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sriv94 wrote:
And some on this board have told me that
the actual 45 was mono. I'm assuming a stereo edit was
not issued.
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My copy of the 45 was SCG Compatible Stereo.
The 45 is on iTunes.
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Bill Cahill wrote:
| I thought there was a second stereo promo. I have a promo on "The House that Jack Built"/"I Say a Little Prayer" by Aretha as a stereo promo. Still a red Atlantic promo but the words STEREO very large on the left side to make sure radio stations knew it was a stereo copy. "I Say A Little Prayer" is even the single edit, but in stereo. That single edit has only appeared in mono on one CD (Rhino Handmade) so I assume that there are other promos on House/Prayer in mono, like the stock. And I think there was a Stereo Suite Judy Blue Eyes promo, maybe sent to the few FM stations that existed in 1969. I even think I saw a photo of it once but memory is a tricky thing! |
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It is indeed. It wasn't when I wrote my original note in 2007. :)
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Bill Cahill wrote:
I think there was a Stereo Suite
Judy Blue Eyes
promo, maybe sent to the few FM stations that existed in
1969. I even think I saw a photo of it once but memory is
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Indeed there was, I have a copy. Double A-side, stereo
both sides.
Some promos of "Marrakesh Express" were also stereo
(though mine is mono). Interestingly, the stereo promos
had the whispered gibberish that precedes the song on the
album, but the mono doesn't.
Atlantic issued quite a few singles in both
configurations. I have both mono and stereo promos of a
couple Dusty Springfield songs ("Son Of A Preacher Man"
and "A Brand New Me"). I also have stereo promos of
Arthur Brown's "Fire" and Led Zep's "Whole Lotta
Love"...I'm pretty sure both stock pressings were mono.
The Led Zep single was the long version b/w "Livin'
Lovin' Maid". Not
sure what criteria they used as to who got what...all of
mine came from the same small-market AM station.
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Steve Carras wrote:
eric_a wrote:
I just
finished cutting my CD version to match the stereo
45 edit. This edit doesn't appear to exist on CD,
so I figured some of you might want to try this
yourself. Some of the cuts involve weird overlaps,
so I'll try to describe this as clearly as
possible.
Start at 0:00 on the LP, and:
1 - At (0:43) fade out on the first two beats of
"hard", while fading in "hard" at (1:18).
2 - At "hard", cut from (2:01) to (2:46).
3 - Cut from (3:55) to (4:39). (This sounds messy
on the 45, with a double-drum hit. I can't
replicate the messiness; this sounds too clean.)
4 - Cut from the downbeat at (4:54) to "Chestnut
brown canary" at (5:10).
5 - Fade out the strum on the downbeat at (5:52),
while fading in the guitar licks at (6:21).
Your finished edit list should have edits at 0:43,
1:26, 2:35, 2:50, and 3:33, ending at 4:35.
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Hi, [forgot that I had been registered!longest
absence..] There is alos that open part on the LP
with "one two three four" whsipered AND the LP part
of the third part of the first section..i.e. in
short "tearing yourself away/from me now.." is sung
differently than on the 45.[and though completely
offtopic those wishing me a happy birthday,which
would be August 12, please note that was a typo on
my part.[]:) I have both the LP and CSG singles of
that song.
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Incidentally, just got from SoulSeek the ACTUAL LP
take and the "tearing yourself away"..bridge is
INDEED The EXACT same as the single, not the later
"take" I cited....that ACTUAL LP version/take which
IS the same vocal EXACTLY as the CGS 4:35 single is
from the original 1969\ album which I have..:_
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The Digital 45 will be for sale on Neil Young's PonoMusic
store when it FINALLY goes active (whenever that will be),
so hopefully we will get a lossless version of the mono
single then.
I did alert them that some of the Rhino Digital 45s on
Qobuz were lossy, and they thanked me for the info and said
they would try to check them.
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Will PonoMusic have some of the other mono mixes too?
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