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I remember this time well because I finally had a CD player, and was shocked to find my "hot rockin, flame throwin" top 40 station in Tulsa was taking CD singles and recording them to CART (tape)!
Overnights I used to pot up the production room and covertly play the songs on the playlist I had on CD, from CD, over the air. It was a huge thrill at the time that I doubt today's young broadcasters could even imagine.
(Nobody called to tell me how great the last song had sounded... darn it!) ;-)
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The last vinyl promo single our little radio station in Minnesota received (in the spring of 1989) was "I Drove All Night" by Cyndi Lauper. We were actually spinning vinyl (and an occasional tape cart) right up until I left the station in October of 1991. Never even had a CD player at the station, although I did have one at home.
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So if you didn't receive promo vinyl after spring 1989, what did you use
for the next two years? Stock 45s?
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NightAire wrote:
I remember this time well because I
finally had a CD player, and was shocked to find my "hot
rockin, flame throwin" top 40 station in Tulsa was taking
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The station I worked at for most of the 90s also did that
(though by the time we transitioned to CHR, we'd gotten
our first Scott Studios system). Wasn't even a CD player
in the studio for many years (PD was paranoid that the
jocks would bring in their own CDs). I doubt anyone
noticed any sound difference (though there were a couple
cart machines I avoided for music because they didn't
sound very good...I think it was a slight head
misalignment causing phase issues).
aaronk wrote:
So if you didn't receive promo vinyl after
spring 1989, what did you use
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Promo 45s certainly were issued later than the spring of
'89...I remember the station I worked at then getting
promos for "Love Shack" and "We Didn't Start The Fire" as
well as the Doobie Brothers' "Need A Little Taste Of
Love" which AFAIK was never issued on a commercial 45.
Dunno how much longer promo 45s were issued, this station
switched to oldies in late '89 and went dark about a year
later.
Getting (somewhat) back on topic, the only G&R song we
ever played there was "Patience", and it was serviced on
vinyl.
Edited by Hykker on 14 August 2014 at 7:02am
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Paul Haney
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aaronk wrote:
So if you didn't receive promo vinyl after spring 1989, what did you use
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We were an oldies station, so we had no need for any current product. For some reason, Epic was the only label that sent us their current 45s and that stopped after the Cyndi Lauper record was released. I think the station was Adult Contemporary until a few months before I got there in November 1988 and I guess we were just kept on the promo list for awhile after the switch to oldies. All of our oldies library was either stock 45s, albums or a few carts.
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In 1990, there really weren't many broadcast-quality CD players.
My college station was probably near the forefront, by putting a homemade remote-start on an off-the-shelf Magnavox player around 1988 or 1989. It sounded good on-air when it worked, but it didn't start reliably and had difficulty finding the beginning of tracks. There was a lot of cursing and swearing involved, preferably with the mike off.
The top 40 station I worked at in 1990 still carted up all the music. There was one Technics CD player in the on-air studio, and I just happened to be in the room when it stopped dead mid-track, leaving dead air and a panicked on-air host.
By 1993, things had improved significantly. Denon had some nice CD players for broadcast. We used a "CD cart"-style player, which played CDs in jewel-box-like shells, so you couldn't handle the discs directly. They were very reliable. You could hook up little warning lights to them, which would go on when there was 30 seconds left in the
track. You could also pitch them up, but not easily like a Techinics 1200 turntable - I think there were some switches on the inside of the machine.
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I actually remember recording some songs from my personal CD player onto cassette tapes and playing them over-the-air on the same cassette player we used for such popular shows as "In-Fisherman"! They sounded just fine on our little AM station.
I got out of radio just before CD players really became the norm. I still remember what a big deal many stations made out of playing CDs in the late 1980s/early 1990s.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
Denon had some nice CD players
for broadcast. We used a "CD cart"-style player, which
played CDs in jewel-box-like shells, so you couldn't
handle the discs directly. They were very reliable.
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The CD carts were not without their downsides
though...they had a tendency to create concentric
scratches in the discs, which eventually made them
unplayable.
I worked at a station that had (I believe) Urei CD
players. These were, without doubt the most poorly
designed players I've ever seen! Instead of the drive
and laser mechanism being inside and just a tray opening
to put CDs in, the whole spindle/laser assembly slid out.
Operation was very non-intuitive (and non-standard) as
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...Ever drop one of those CD "carts?"
*SHATTER*
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My local oldies station plays an
edit of "Paradise City". I've never
timed it, but I'd say it runs about
4 minutes or so. I did notice that
it cuts out a big portion near the
end, mostly drums and guitar. I
don't know if it's the exact same
edit as the one that's been
described, though.
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The short version mentioned here was re-created for at least one broadcast group, so it's likely that you're hearing the one heard on WLOL/WRBQ.
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I have the 4:09 radio edit of Paradise City, it is from the UK and can confirm it exists.
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According to Discogs, the A-side of the white-label UK promo 45 Geffen GEF 50 (DJ) had a designation of "Edit" and a run time of 4:07. The B-side of had a designation of "LP Version" and a run time of 6:46. These are actual run times reported by the Discogs member, and are not printed on the labels.
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Ron,
I sent you the file for review. Hopefully you can tell us a bit more about the edit.
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