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For years, I thought that the version of "Do What You Do" that I have on CD was not the correct version. The vocals sounded like they were re-cut. Upon referencing my 8th Edition, I noticed that most CDs actually list "Alternate Take" next to the song. I finally pulled out my original 45 and compared it to the version on my CD (which is supposedly the alternate take), and low and behold, they are IDENTICAL.
Just to be sure, I checked my friend's copy of the 45, and it is also identical to the version listed as "Alternate Take" in Pat's book. Even after listening to my original 45, something still sounds different than I remember. Could it be possible that there are two different 45 pressings of this song? Is it possible that the version I'm remembering was the one played on the radio and is a different take than my 45?
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OK here is what I have come up with on the "Do What You Do" situation. First, my reference was a dj 45 which stated a running time of 3:58 (actually runs 4:17) and I assumed that this was the same as the commercial 45 since Whitburn listed the running time as 3:58. Now whether this assumption is valid I don't know and can use some help from anyone that does have the commercial copy of this 45. My guess Aaron is that if you A/B'd the commercial 45 and the cd versions that I note "alternate take" then the dj and commercial 45 are not the same. There are a number of edits on the dj 45 like dropping the first :01, shortening the instrumental introduction and shortening the instrumental break near the end of the song. With all that said, the vocal track does appear to be the same as the vocal track that appears on the cd's that currently have a notation of "alternate take" so it looks like I should change the notation to "45 version". My dj copy is just an edit of the commercial 45 if what you say is true Aaron but it is certainly strange that both the dj and commercial 45's state a time of 3:58. Can you give me the exact running time of the commercial 45 and the stated time?
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Sure thing, Pat. But it will take a few days, because I just returned from a trip to Michigan, and that's where my 45 is---not with me in Texas. I'll ask Bud B. if he will pull out his 45 and we'll check it. If my memory serves me right, I believe the commercial 45 has a stated time of 3:58. The actual time matches up with the CD and runs really close to 4:17. The edits you described are the exact same edits on the commercial 45--no rim shot at the beginning; instrumental sections on the intro and toward the end are shortened.
There is a CD that you have listed "45 Version but missing some overdubs." I listened to a snippet of "Do What You Do" from this disc on the internet. The vocal track is definitely different; however, this is the one I remember hearing all the time when the song was popular (probably on my local top 40 station). There must be another 45 out there that has this alternate version. Anyone know?
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I'm glad to see Jermaine Jackson's "Do What You Do" being discussed here because I'd been wondering about this so-called alternate take for a while.
Aaron says the CD listed in the 10th edition with the "45 version but missing some overdubs" comment is the version he was most familiar with hearing on radio. I'm wondering if there were actually two different DJ 45 copies, as opposed to two different commercial 45 pressings?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 02 June 2005 at 3:57pm
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Pat, it looks like the commercial 45 is exactly the same as your DJ copy. The label says 3:58 and the actual run time is 4:17. The CD that I A/B'd the 45 with was a CD-R, but it turns out the source of the song on my CD-R was not one of the CDs you have listed with "Alternate Take." However, I have listened to snippets of those CDs, and as far as I can tell, the mix and vocal track on the CDs listing "Alternate Take" is the same mix and vocal track found on the commercial 45. You will have to determine if those CDs have edits matching the 45.
But the question still remains: Where did the version currently listed as "45 Version but missing some overdubs" come from? I certainly recall hearing this mix (or at least some mix with that vocal track) back in '85.
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Does the commercial 45 have the rim shot at the beginning?
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No, it doesn't.
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I don't believe I ever summarized my findings on this song so here are my conclusions:
The commercial and dj 45's that I have are identical. Neither of these has the opening rimshot heard on all of the cd's that I currently list as "alternate take" and that is why I called them an alternate take but probably should correct that to read "neither the 45 nor LP version". The BMG Special Products 44573 Groove Power is an edit of the LP version. So my conclusion to date is that the 45 version has yet to appear on cd in the U.S.
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Aha...so, the 45 and LP versions have different vocal takes. That would explain why I remember hearing the other version on the radio---they were probably playing the LP version!
So, I guess by your comment above, the versions listed in the book as "alternate take" with a (4:25) run time are the same mix and vocal take as the 45, but they are not edited correctly. Is that what I'm gathering?
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Yes, the LP version is a different vocal take and the 45 is remixed. In addition to the rimshot being added to the cd's that run (4:25), the instrumental break is :09 longer on those cd's. The actual 45 running time is (4:17)not (3:58) as stated on the label.
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Thank you for clarifying, Pat. It makes much more sense now.
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For anyone interested in obtaining the "Do What You Do" 45 mix on compact disc, I actually have it on a Canadian import CD compilation called Slow Jams (SPG 1510). I asked Aaron K. to compare the version on this CD to his commercial 45 and he confirms the two are indeed the same mix. However, the Slow Jams disc fades the song out :09 sooner than the 45, so the CD run time is only 4:08.
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What sounds to me like the 45 version is on the UK CD The Best Year Of My Life: 1985, although the fade ends a couple of seconds earlier than on the 45.
It's available on iTunes in Canada, so it likely is as well in the US.
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the longest, correct version of the 45 i have found is on this compilation issued by Dino - The Greatest Soul Album Of All Time. it fades out at 4:13 exactly.
http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Greatest-Soul-Album-Of-Al l-Time/release/1595022
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The 12" remix is now available on Jermaine Jackson "Dynamite" expanded edition.
It runs 5:45 and starts off with 6 rim shots.
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Interesting. Can the 45 be created using the 12" remix?
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Last week I was researching some of my favorite Jermaine Jackson tunes, both here on this chat board and in Pat's on-line database. After re-reading this entire thread for the first time in ages, and seeing how it had basically been dormant for nine years - not to mention the extreme number of "neither" listings still shown for the song in the db - I wanted to see if I could help resolve at least some of the mystery surrounding it. Doing some simple on-line checking, it didn't take long for me to discover through more than one source that there were indeed TWO very distinct commercial U.S. pressings of the 45 for "Do What You Do"!
Based on the details he gave all the way back in 2005 above, I could tell that the version Pat had (both commercial & promo) was actually the very common SECOND pressing. I then went ahead and messaged him about how to spot the physical differences between it and the scarce originals, and even tipped him off as to where he could purchase an original at a very reasonable price. :-) I don't own either version of the 45 myself, nor have I heard the differences between them. However, Pat has since informed me that he made the buy, so I look forward to him posting his analysis here in the coming days, since it'll be news to me, too. With several "mystery versions" of this top 40 hit actually still out there, I don't believe this will solve everything, but clearly it'll be a major piece to this puzzle for anyone else who may be interested...
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Sorry to disappoint everyone but the so called first pressing of Do What You Do arrived today with matrix number printed on the label of AS1-9279-SA and AS-1-9279-RE-SA-4 etched in the vinyl and a printed time of 3:46 but an actual running time of 4:17. The so called 2nd pressing has a printed matrix number of AS 1-9279-RE-SA and an etched matrix number of AS-1-9279-SA RE1-1 with a printed time of 3:58 and an actual running time of 4:16. Unfortunately I do not hear any difference between these two pressings and neither one starts with the rim shot at the beginning which all 4:25 length cds include. Can anyone come up with a vinyl source with the opening rim shot?
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Pat Downey wrote:
| Sorry to disappoint everyone but the so called first pressing of Do What You Do arrived today with matrix number printed on the label of AS1-9279-SA and AS-1-9279-RE-SA-4 etched in the vinyl and a printed time of 3:46 but an actual running time of 4:17. The so called 2nd pressing has a printed matrix number of AS 1-9279-RE-SA and an etched matrix number of AS-1-9279-SA RE1-1 with a printed time of 3:58 and an actual running time of 4:16. Unfortunately I do not hear any difference between these two pressings and neither one starts with the rim shot at the beginning which all 4:25 length cds include. Can anyone come up with a vinyl source with the opening rim shot? |
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Hmmm, based on the matrix nos. that are actually etched in the vinyl of the two different commercial copies you now have, Pat (both having "RE" in them), there is clearly at least ONE more U.S. pressing of the 45 out there, if not more - but it appears this latest finding indicates that we can't go by what's printed on the labels alone. Thanks for the analysis, as always! The plot thickens...
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I also ordered a copy of the 45 without the RE printed on the label, and
I'll let you know what it contains when it arrives. If I had to swear that
there was another copy, I would. I vividly remember standing in my
neighbors' living room listening to their copy of the 45 and thinking,
"This is different than my 45."
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