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Jody Thornton
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| Apparently there was no commercial vinyl 45 of Rapper's Delight as my copy says "radio station and jukebox use only" so I have gone back and clarified the comments in the database. |
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I have two commercial copies on "Quality Records" here in Canada of Rapper's Delight on 7" 45-rpm discs. The first one I bought in January 1980, and wore it out. I replaced with another identical copy from a used record shop, sometime later in the 80s. They are indeed, NOT promos.
The A-Side is an edit which starts cold right on the vocal "Now what you hear is not a test...", and fades on a repeat of the vocal "Hip-Hop-Hippety Hip-Hop....." following the whole kaopectate story.
The B-Side is a slight edit of the 12" B-Side, and I think it does run at about 6:30. It starts with instrumental and goes into the "Hip-Hop-Hippety Hip-Hop....." It then fades on the "Chic - Good Times" Instrumental.
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Thanks to Jody, I was able to hear a copy of the A-side of his 45. This version matches the copy I have on Rhino's Millenium Funk Party.
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Hi all,
I hate mentioning things i no longer have, but for many years i owned a commercial, not promo, U.S. 45 of this on Sugarhill. I bought it in 1980, and it had the exact edit that Jody describes above.
The only other thing i remember about it, that i thought was odd it had the same number on the label as the 12" single had, 542.
I really wish i hadn't dumped it, i didnt know what an oddity it apparently was.
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MMathews wrote:
Hi all,
I hate mentioning things i no longer have, but for many years i owned a commercial, not promo, U.S. 45 of this on Sugarhill. I bought it in 1980, and it had the exact edit that Jody describes above.
The only other thing i remember about it, that i thought was odd it had the same number on the label as the 12" single had, 542.
I really wish i hadn't dumped it, i didnt know what an oddity it apparently was.
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Are you sure this isn't it, "Here I Am" b/w "Rapper's Delight"? It did come out in 1980:
Here I Am
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crapfromthepast wrote:
I won't be able to play them for a few days, but I thought you might want to see label scans. These are permanently posted on my website at http://crapfromthepast.com/favorites/sights2/index.htm
You'll see that there are indeed different label/sleeve designs, along with different writer's credits (after Nile Rodgers & Bernard Edwards leaned on them). Whether or not there are different edits on the various incarnations will have to wait a few days... |
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Great web site, crapfromthepast!
My 12" differs from the record label scans on the c.f.t.p's web site. My record has the blue label while this has the different description on the record label. This matrix number on the runout groove is "VID-152-RE2"
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Steve Sharp
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Here's what I've got on 45 for this one. I don't think it's a promo:
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Cool scans! That 45 for "Apache" was released a couple years later, as the copyright date is 1982.
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Every wedding I do, "Apache" goes over very well.
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But the charting version of Rapper's Delight was issued in 1979 on Sugarhill 542 and may or may not be the same version as released as the B side of Apache in 1982.
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I agree with Pat. We still haven't found an existing US copy of a commercial 45 for the original non-B-side release.
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The book "45 RPM" by Jim Dawson erroneously lists SH-755 as the 7-inch single for "Rapper's Delight." Apparently he confused the A and B sides.
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I've only ever heard one edit of "Rapper's Delight" in the 5 minute range, and that's what's on this 45, which starts at the vocal. It's really a horrible edit. We played this edit as a "gold" at the CHR station I worked a short stint at, around 1983.
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I agree that the 5 minute edit is lousy. They could have at least left part of the intro in tact.
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Jody Thornton
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aaronk wrote:
| I agree that the 5 minute edit is lousy. They could have at least left part of the intro in tact. |
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Yeah but in all honesty, I'm so used to the edit (to me it's the definitive version of the song.) And all of the "Big Bag Hank", and "Little Worm/Super Sperm" commentary from the longer versions is pretty tasteless anyway.
Plus the cold vocal sounds good mixed with a cold ending from a previous song, or tight off of a jingle.
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No doubt, it is the definitive version to me, too. I've heard the short version more times than any other. (Still a bad edit, though.) The "super sporm" lyric is a reference to the disco song "Super Sporm" by Captain Sky.
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aaronk wrote:
| No doubt, it is the definitive version to me, too. I've heard the short version more times than any other. (Still a bad edit, though.) The "super sporm" lyric is a reference to the disco song "Super Sporm" by Captain Sky. |
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I'm sorry - I never knew that it was a reference to a song. I just thought, since when I was a wee tyke, that it was naughty ... lol.
They could have improved that edit, by starting with the first syllable as acapella "Now ... (music starts on the downbeat) ... what you hear..." I wonder if that would have sounded better?
We should start a thread on bad edits. I think that the radio edit of Steve Winwood's "While You See a Chance" has to take the cake for the worst blade cut in history.
(this is what I wrote on the Radio-Info Forum...)
In attempts to edit out the first bridge and second verse, Island records attempts to join ".....your waaaaaaaay" with "can you beeeeeeee". What they think they will accomplish is making Stevie sound like he's improvising. I'm sure it sounded good in their heads.
What you end up with is "your waaaaaa/eeeeeee". It is severely abrupt. Driving over speed bumps at 90 mph is a gentler experience.
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abagon wrote:
"Rapper's Delight" of the 12" single that I possess, it has the actual running time of (14:28) with the listed time "15:00" on the record label. (Sugarhill SH-542). Therefore three different 12" pressings exist!
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Pat: My report has not updated yet. Please use my information.
--abagon
Edited by abagon on 03 November 2008 at 7:13am
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Hi
i forgot to get back to this subject...
Brian's suggestion above about my 45 being the 45 for "Here I Am" could be possible.
I bought it at a small shop. The big chains never had it.
They could have simply sold it as the Rapper's Delight single, as long as there was no designation for side A or B, i would have noticed that.
It is entirely possible that after 28 years i remember the label# wrong.
However, i remember the version perfectly and it was edited the way mentioned earlier here. Not sure about the time, but it started cold on "now what you hear..." and quickly faded right after the food saga.
And it was on Sugarhill and not a promo, and i bought it in '80.
At least that would explain the many archivists here not having this single that i know i had, so i'll go with that!
Sorry about the confusion!
-MM
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MM just jogged my memory! I was an avid Billboard reader, and chart follower, and I remember reading that "Here I Am" was a 45, with "Rapper's Delight" being on the b-side. I was also the singles manager at two different shops (at different times) and we stocked 3 charts of 100 singles each (hot 100, "black" singles, and country singles). We had a slot for "Here I Am" which did very little on the charts, but I don't think I ever saw a copy of the 45, in our store or any others, so the slot remained empty, and I had to direct people to buy the 12" of Rapper's Delight (which was what they wanted anyway), for more money.
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OK time for my two cents. This song has always confused me just because it's so long. I have the "definitive" version on a compilation..."hot dance classics vol. 1" I believe. I just picked up a compilation from Target called "old school hip hop" that has a 4:19 listed version. It starts with 4 measures of the "hip hop to the bla bla" and then goes into the "cold start" lyric on the "definitive" version. Then when Hank starts rapping it goes right into "well, im imp the dimp the ladies pimp" up to "everybody go hotel motel holiday inn you say if your girl starts actin up then you take her friend." After that it goes into the entire bad food rap. At the end of that it has some instrumental bars before fading out, unlike the quick fade on the commercial 45.
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