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The difference would be at 1:44, before the drum solo starts mid-song.
The true mono 45 version sounds like this:
"Goodbyeeeeeee" (music stops, followed by 3 drum beats, then cymbal crash)
The stereo version on the Dick Bartley CD is like this:
"Goodbyeeeeeee" (music stops, 4 drum beats, then cymbal crash)
In other words, on the 45 you hear one more note of the music before it abruptly stops, which is just before the drum solo. Also, there is a little more reverb on the LP version vocals (and overall).
Lastly, the Dick Bartley CD has the vocals fading in too early. You can hear "hey, hey, goodbye at 1:48. On the 45, the vocal doesn't start coming back in until 1:51, where you hear the tail end of "byeeeee." The Dick Bartley CD also has the xylophone coming back in at 2:17 (in the left channel), whereas it does not come in until 2:26 on the 45.
The bottom line is that the stereo version cannot be used to re-create the mono single. There are just too many differences in the stereo mix that do not match the mono mix. Hopefully that clarifies things.
Edited by aaronk on 08 April 2012 at 9:03pm
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I have finally acquired a long/short promo 45 for this song. I noticed that the
exact particulars for it had not been previously posted. Confirmed as
Fontana 1667, the listed and actual (3:45) side is the same as the stock 45,
and says "Mono-Complete Version" on it, despite the fact that the LP version
actually runs over 4:00. Deadwax info has a crossed-out, machine-stamped
"44192 1", followed by a reversed, handwritten "44292-1-1-1" (the latter
matching up with small, # info on the 45 label.) The short version has a
listed time of (2:59), an actual time of (3:01), says "Mono-Edited Version",
and has handwritten deadwax info of "44358-1-1-1".
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"There are three edits and an early fade.
The edit points on the actual DJ 45 occur at 1:48, 1:50,
and 2:15."
Not sure what to edit out at these points, but that's a
good start. When you have time, would someone mind sending
me an MP3 or a few more instructions? Thank you in advance
for any guidance. It would be much appreciated.
Tim
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Tim, please check your PM.
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I'll try to untangle the mastering history.
Stereo LP version (4:09)
The earliest CD I have with the stereo LP version is DCC Compact Classics' Toga Rock (1987, original pressing of this disc), where it runs 4:06. There's a later pressing of Toga Rock with a copyright date of 1988, which has a differently-EQ'd digital clone of the 1987 mastering, except that it slightly clips the attack of the opening drumbeat, and runs 4:05 because the tail of the fade is two beats shorter than the original 1987 pressing.
There's a new analog transfer on PolyGram's 45's On CD Vol. 3 '66-'69 (1988), where it runs 4:05. The same analog transfer is used on:- Rhino's Billboard Top R&R Hits 1969 (both 1989 original release and 1993 rerelease are digitally identical to each other) - tail of fade is about five beats shorter
- Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 20 1969 Shakin' All Over (1990) - tail of fade is about six beats shorter
- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Break Up To Make Up (1999) - differently-EQ'd digital clone of Billboard Top R&R Hits 1969
There's an even newer analog transfer on Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 1 (1990), where it runs 4:09. I confirmed from a vinyl dub that this extends out to the full length on the vinyl LP. The same analog transfer is used on:- Rhino's Seventies Smash Hits Vol. 1 (1993) - same length
- Rhino's Stadium Rock (1995) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
- Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 33 The '60s Generation (2001) - differently-EQ'd digital clone
In terms of sound quality, there's not much difference among Toga Rock, 45's On CD Vol. 3 '66-'69, and Have A Nice Day Vol. 1. All seem to be from low-generation tape sources, all have great dynamic range, nice EQ, and no evidence of noise reduction on the fade.
Mono 45 version (3:45)
As Aaron and others noted above, the mono 45 version can't be edited down from the stereo LP version.
You can sorta get close on CD, but not quite.
Heartland/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Fun Rock (1986) runs almost the correct length at 3:41, but it's in ear-bleeding fake stereo. This one hurts real bad in headphones.
PolyTel Canada's 2-CD Ready To Rock (1988) is better, running in true mono, but it runs about five seconds short at 3:36.
Stereo 45 version
This doesn't exist at all; the 45 was never mixed to stereo.
The closest you can get is an incorrect edit of the LP version, which appears on Varese Sarabande's Dick Bartley On The Radio Vol. 3 (1998), where it runs 3:44. Aaron noted one difference at 1:44; there may be others.
Mono promo 45 version (2:59)
Unless I misunderstood the posts above, Aaron says that the mono promo 45 version can be created from the mono 45 version, with edits at 1:48, 1:50, and 2:15, plus an early fade.
My recommendations
For the stereo LP version, go with Rhino's Have A Nice Day Vol. 1 (1990), which sounds great and runs out to the full length of the vinyl LP.
For the mono 45 version, I guess you can attempt to hunt down PolyTel Canada's 2-CD Ready To Rock (1988), but it's pretty rare. I was lucky enough to get my copy via mail order through Silver Eagle Records, back when they were a functioning mail-order label.
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The mono 'single version' appears as a bonus track on
the 2003 reissue of the Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Good-
Bye album on the UK Repertoire label, licensed from
Universal. It runs 3:43. This does not appear to be the
CD Fetta referred to in his post from 2012.
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Paul C wrote:
The mono 'single version' appears as a
bonus track on
the 2003 reissue of the Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Good-
Bye album on the UK Repertoire label, licensed from
Universal. It runs 3:43. This does not appear to be the
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I played that for Aaron and he thought it sounded like a
vinyl dub.
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I remember getting one of those either "Ronco" or "K-Tel" V/A albums, and this song was the last track on the side. The only reason I have such a fond memory was because somewhere in the recording process,
the speed of the record master must have been accelerating. I remember playing this for my siblings and noting that the "Na Na Hey Heys were getting slower. They must have been thinking that I was messing
with the record player or something because we never really proved the symptom as a fact. Still to this day, I keep listening for a slowdown whenever I hear it on the radio.
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