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Until I picked up a copy of the 45, I couldn't quite understand the difference. Now, after dubbing my 45, I do hear the mix differences. Listed and actual time is 3:21.
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What's interesting is that Rhino and Bill Inglot have a reputation for picking the singles master tapes for compilation CDs, and I'm just surprised they never checked the single mix on this song to see if it was different.
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BTW, this past week, XM aired a 1976 AT40 show that included "December 1963". I was hoping that the version they had chosen to use would be the actual 45 -- but I listened to the spot in question and didn't hear anything different than what I already know, so I guess even AT40 pulled it off the LP back then.
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BTW, has anyone seen Bill Inglot's name show up as sound producer on any other labels' releases since Rhino fired him a few years ago?
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EdisonLite wrote:
| BTW, this past week, XM aired a 1976 AT40 show that included "December 1963". I was hoping that the version they had chosen to use would be the actual 45 -- but I listened to the spot in question and didn't hear anything different than what I already know, so I guess even AT40 pulled it off the LP back then. |
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AT40 used the album quite often at least in the 70s. I recall one instance where a song dovetailed into the next track on the album, they let a second or so of the next song before they quickly faded it down. It was one of the hits from Linda Ronstadt's "Heart Like A Wheel" album, "When Will I Be Loved" I think. I thought that was odd since even back then Casey just cut his voicetracks & a producer put the show together.
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OK, for awhile I was having trouble discerning the 45/LP mix differences, but I think I know why. I was comparing my 45 with the version found on the "Jersey Beat" box set, which HAS that background "flanging". My "Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons 25th Anniversary Box Set" does NOT have that effect on the background vocals.
I'm also getting the "Wah-Wah" guitar on the right channel, congas on left on the "Jersey Beat" box version instead of both the "Wah-Wah" & congas on the left channel on "25th Anniversary".
Based on this info, it seems like the 45 version, although LP length, is on the "Jersey Beat" box set. I think. Does anyone else have the box set that could verify? Thanks!
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To Jon O:
I think you've found it!!
I don't own 'Jersey Beat'; I'll track it down.
To EdisonLite:
Shannon Lynn, responsible for restoring the AT-40 broadcasts, ofentimes inserts commonly available CD versions of songs for better sound quality to the general public (without 100% regard to matching the version Casey played originally).
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Andy -
I just noticed iTunes, for one, has a 30 second sample which (fortunately) includes the background vocals in question.
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To Andrew C: Very interesting. I had no idea someone was swapping music sources on the restored AT40's. But I have a big question. On 99% of the songs, Casey spoke over the intros (except when the vocals started cold), and also over the endings. So how did she insert the new versions? It seems like an edit from the LP to a new CD source would be weird, especially going back to the talking at the end of the song.
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I checked the database and Pat lists this as "LP mix", and presumably when he made all these updates to the database, he listened to each CD. So can Pat (or someone else with the box set) verify the single mix is here?
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I just grabbed the track from the CD in question via Napster. I matched the fade to the 45 I got in yesterday and have a wav file I'll send.
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To EdisonLite:
Shannon Lynn's edit points are frequently right at the end & beginning of Casey's monologue (which makes the edits less noticable). Sometimes a crossfade is done. Sometimes it's at a post.
Listen carefully to some of the early 70s shows and you will find channels reversing, mono editing into stereo, pitch differences, et al.
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Andrew reports back to me that the version on Jersey Beat is indeed the 'hit' 45 version, albeit a bit longer.
I also had to slow the digital copy from Napster I bought to 99% to match the 45.
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The discovery of the 45 mix for this track was made over two years ago (prior to the Rhino Digital 45 series release).
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EdisonLite wrote:
What's interesting is that Rhino and
Bill Inglot have a reputation for picking the singles
master tapes for compilation CDs, |
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Pth! I can give you scores of examples of where they never
got it right.
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bumping this up for Ed...
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The Hits Man wrote:
Pth! I can give you scores of
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LOL That might make a good thread!
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Is the digital 45 on the Rhino site the actual 45 mix?
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As long as it's from the Jersey Beat Rhino box set. That's the only place the correct 45 version appears.
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can someone tell me at what point in the song, time wise,
are the flanges and the congas most noticeable?
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