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Posted: 04 March 2009 at 7:04am \| IP Logged

The actual U.S. commercial 45 has running time of (3:26), and has the same listed time on the record label. (Arista AS 1-9579)
"Point of no return" on my stock vinyl LP "EXPOSURE" which Japan released (Arista-Japan Phonogram Company) has the actual LP running time of (6:05)
About the Japan LP, another 4 Top 40 hits on the LP are all the same running time as the U.S. CD "EXPOSURE"

Does anyone have the U.S. pressing's "EXPOSURE" vinyl LP? Please, report the vinyl LP running time information. Thanks.

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Posted: 04 March 2009 at 7:45am \| IP Logged

I don't have the Exposure LP, abagon, but I do have another question about the song.

The song was released twice. The first release was in 1985 on a 7" and 12", both Arista 9326, and it got some club play and some airplay in New York at the time. Two years later, the song was rerecorded with new singers, and released in 1987 on Arista 9579. These new singers were also featured on the full Exposure LP.

The original 1985 version has since gotten very hard to find. I have the 12" version at home, but not the 7". Does anyone here have the Arista 9326 7"?

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Posted: 05 March 2009 at 7:08am \| IP Logged

Thank you for the additional information, CFTP.

I have the compilation vinyl LP "Hot Hits" by K-Tel (released in 1988 U.S.) The LP includes "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)", "C'est La Vie", "Human", "Don't Dream It's Over" etc. "Point Of No Return" is also included. This actual running time is (3:52). It seems this is the edit version of the vinyl LP "EXPOSURE"(my LP is the Japanese product). The (3:52) version may be the sound from the Arista 9326.

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At last, I got the US "Exposure" vinyl LP! (Arista AL-8441/ matrix # of side 2 : AL-8441-SB-RCA1)
The actual running time is (6:06), the listed time is "6:05" on the LP record label.
The run time of the CD album "Exposure" on the database is (3:27)
Therefore, the vinyl album version is different from the CD album version.

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Posted: 11 December 2010 at 11:41pm \| IP Logged

I can confirm, thanks to abagon's help, that the "Billboard Top Dance Hits 1985" CD contains the LP version of "Point Of No Return." The database currently states "remix."

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Posted: 12 September 2021 at 12:56pm \| IP Logged

I didn't see discussion on this, but did the 1984 7'' version ever make CD or digital download? Does anyone know what the major difference between the 1984 and 1987 release is? I see it times in at 3:10 and says x-posed rather than expose.

https://www.discogs.com/X-Posed-Point-Of-No-Return/release/4 081358

Edited by PopArchivist on 12 September 2021 at 1:04pm

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PopArchivist wrote:

I have the 2CD "Exposure" remaster and there's a version
on there titled "1985 Single Version" with a listed
running time of 3:25. Not sure if that's the same one
you're referring to, but if it is, I imagine the main
difference would be that the original lineup were on
vocals.

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Posted: 12 September 2021 at 1:57pm \| IP Logged

^What Dan said. The original was a huge dance hit in '85 before their
pop breakthrough with "Come Go With Me" and the lead vocal was
performed by a different vocalist. There are a lot of people who love
the '85 versions, but they never sound "right" to me, as I learned this
song from the Top 40 radio.

Found a 45 rip on Youtube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7u4tma26kc&feature=youtu.be

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Posted: 12 September 2021 at 5:30pm \| IP Logged

There is a reference above to a 2 CD version of the
"Exposure" CD and I cannot find any information on that 2
CD version. Is it an import? Can you give the catalog
number?

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Posted: 12 September 2021 at 7:29pm \| IP Logged

Pat Downey wrote:

There is a reference above to a 2 CD version of the
"Exposure" CD and I cannot find any information on that 2
CD version. Is it an import? Can you give the catalog
number?

Pat,

It is an import Deluxe Edition on 2 CD's:

https://www.discogs.com/Expos%C3%A9-Exposure/release/6555193

Edited by PopArchivist on 12 September 2021 at 7:30pm

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Pat, yes the 2CD edition of "Exposure" that I have is the one that PopArchivist linked to above. It's an import from the UK on
the Cherry Pop label.

Also, after listening to the "1985 Single Version" from the 2CD Set and listening to the 45 being played on YouTube from
Eternal Static's link, it's obvious that these two versions are not quite the same. For one thing, the original '84 version in
the video starts with two quick beats that aren't on the '85 Single. Also, the '85 version runs longer than the original 45
from 1984.I thought possibly the '85 Single Version could be the same as the '84 version but just longer and without the two
beats on the intro, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Both versions seem to have the same vocals from the group's original
line up, however.

Furthermore, I'm beginning to wonder if this "1985 Single Version" is labelled incorrectly. With one exception, Discogs only
shows 1985 releases for the song in the US in the 12" format, and none of those have any versions with the approx. 3:25 running
time of this version. The lone US 45 in 1985 is a promo (Arista AS1-9325) with a listed running time of 3:44, which is about 20
seconds longer than this "85 Single Version" runs. So I really don't know what to make of this particular version.

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Ok, after looking at 45Cat, I see that there was a commercial US 45 in 1985 for this song with a listed running time
of 3:20, it's just not listed on Discogs (unless I missed it, and I looked several times). So apparently there was a
1984 single running 3:10, a 1985 Single running 3:20 and the hit version with the more well-known lineup from 1987.
So as of now, the 1984 Single is not known to be on CD or digital (but if someone does know it to exist, please
share the details!).

EDIT: After once again checking Discogs, I see that they do indeed have a commercial US 45 with the 3:20 running time, but
Discogs has the year of release listed as 1988, even though the photo of the 45 quite clearly has a copyright symbol with
the year 1985 next to it. Now I can see why I was confused about all this!

Edited by thecdguy on 13 September 2021 at 4:37pm

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PopArchivist wrote:

EternalStatic wrote:

Found a 45 rip on Youtube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7u4tma26kc&feature=youtu.be

abagon wrote:

I have the compilation vinyl LP "Hot Hits" by K-Tel (released
in 1988 U.S.) The LP includes "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)", "C'est La
Vie", "Human", "Don't Dream It's Over" etc. "Point Of No Return" is also
included. This actual running time is (3:52). It seems this is the edit version of
the vinyl LP "EXPOSURE"(my LP is the Japanese product). The (3:52) version
may be the sound from the Arista 9326.

--abagon

The 45 version above is an edited version of the original 1984 Pantera mix:

https://www.discogs.com/release/3693693-X-Posed-Point-Of-No- Return

I kinda dig the rawness of it. The room reverb on the lead synth line is a vibe.

What's on that Hot Hits LP is a different edit from that same 12" version and
was mistakenly added to some copies of the Exposure album. Not sure for how
long or when it got replaced, but it was there and available digitally if you look
in the right places.

It's a shame that the original 12" and Part 2 dub aren't available digitally
anywhere.

Edited by Nick2341 on 06 April 2022 at 6:39pm

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thecdguy wrote:

Pat, yes the 2CD edition of "Exposure" that I have is the one that PopArchivist linked to above. It's an import from the UK on
the Cherry Pop label.

Just wondered if anyone knows why this was released in here in the UK and nowhere else? Exposé were not a commercial success here, in fact their highest charting single got to 75! Certainly back in the 80's and 90's most people would not have heard of artists unless they broke the top 40. I only know of them as I listened to the American Countdown on UK local radio back then.

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CherryPop is a UK reissue label, but I'm sure they realize that their sales will be worldwide and will especially attract American collectors.

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75azabache wrote:

thecdguy wrote:

Pat, yes the 2CD
edition of "Exposure" that I have is the one that
PopArchivist linked to above. It's an import from the UK
on
the Cherry Pop label.

Just wondered if anyone knows why this was released in
here in the UK and nowhere else? Exposé were not a
commercial success here, in fact their highest charting
single got to 75! Certainly back in the 80's and 90's
most people would not have heard of artists unless they
broke the top 40. I only know of them as I listened to
the American Countdown on UK local radio back then.

And I always wondered why you guys would always have
these great cd singles for these bands who were relative
flops in your country while, in America, we still only
got vinyl or cassette singles. Very annoying and
expensive.

Edited by Kiefer2 on 08 April 2022 at 7:34am

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[/QUOTE]

And I always wondered why you guys would always have
these great cd singles for these bands who were relative
flops in your country while, in America, we still only
got vinyl or cassette singles. Very annoying and
expensive.[/QUOTE]

We did get CD singles although this was a source of endless frustration at times as frequently the versions released in the UK were not the same mixes we would hear on American radio! I dread to think how much money I spent on ordering US Maxi CDs without knowing if the mix I was familiar with would be on there!
This happened with Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract, the mix played on the US station we received in the UK was the Magnetic Mix. Never released on CD in the UK. The same with Exposé's Tell Me Why. The version we got was a terrible club edit by Dakeyne. No wonder it never hit the charts! There were many others.

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A year later... is it still correct that the original X-Posed / Expose' 1984 / 1985 12" that went to the top of the Billboard Dance charts has never had a digital release from tape?

Aaron mentioned the Billboard Top Dance Hits 1985 but it sounded like maybe that was the remix with the new vocalist (Wikipedia says the entire trio was replaced by the time they became at hit on the U.S. singles charts! Crazy...).

The did a good job of picking a lead vocalist who sounded similar. The instrumentation is similar. After a while, my head starts spinning and I can't tell 1985 from 1987.

Can anyone help?

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1984 releases (Pantera Records)

The 1984 7 inch single had a printed time of 3:10, and an actual run time of about 3:10. Here's a YouTube video of that version.

The 1984 12 inch single had a printed time of 7:30 or 6:55 (depending on pressing), but ran 7:12. Here's a YouTube video of that version.

1985 releases (Arista Records)

Big hit on the dance charts, lots of airplay in New York City (where I was at the time), same vocalists as the 1984 Pantera releases but slightly different mixes/edits.

The 1985 commercial 45 (Arista AS1-9325) had a printed time of 3:20, and an actual time of 3:21.

The 1985 promo 45 (also Arista AS1-9325) had a printed time of 3:44. Discogs says: "Contains a longer stereo mix than the commercial version." I do have a version running 3:53 from TM Century's GoldDisc 153, which has the original vocalists and a slightly punched-up mix. It could be the 1985 promo 45 version, but I can't confirm.

The 1985 12 inch single (Arista AD1-9326) had a printed time of 5:40, and an actual time of 6:05. This version appeared on Rhino's Billboard Top Dance Hits 1985 (1998), where it may be taken from vinyl (do I hear a vinyl pop in the right channel at 5:59?) It also appeared on the first pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP (not on the Exposure CD). "Point Of No Return" was the second single from Exposure, after "Come Go With Me". I'd guess that the group hadn't yet finished (or maybe even started?) the 1987 rerecording when the LP was released.

There was no full Expose album in 1985.

1987 releases (Arista Records)

The 1987 7 inch single (Arista AS1-9579) had a printed time of 3:26, and ran 3:27. This was the pop hit version, and featured the new 1987 vocalists. The 1987 promo 45 was the same as the 1987 commercial 45. It's readily available on the Exposure CD (1987), the promo CD The Top Ten Hits Of Expose (1992), Expose's Greatest Hits CD (1995), and a bunch of pop various-artists compilation CDs.

The 1987 12 inch single (Arista AD1-9580) featured an "Extended Version" (printed 9:38; found on Dance Classics Pop Edition Vol. 8 Disc 2 (2012), a "Crossover Mix" (printed 5:45, actual about 5:43), and a dub mix titled "Dub Of No Return" (printed 6:30). All of the 1987 12 inch versions feature the 1987 vocalists. Some of 12 inch jackets say "All New Mixes" on the back.

The first pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP included the 1985 12 inch single version, with the original vocalists, running 6:05. Here's a YouTube video of the vinyl LP being played.

Later pressings of the 1987 vinyl Exposure LP included the 1987 7 inch single version (the pop hit). Here's a Discogs listing that shows "RE-1" in the matrix number on the B-side of the album, and a label with a printed time of 3:26.

All the pressings of the 1987 Exposure CD included the the 1987 7 inch single version (the pop hit).

I know, clear as mud.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 20 July 2023 at 2:00pm

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Thanks for this breakdown! This one is tricky, for sure.

It sounds like:

The 1984 "X-Posed" (Pantera) 12" version was longer than the Arista 1985 12" version. (7:12 vs. 6:05.)

We don't know of a digital source for this version. The Pantera release was NOT the Dance Club hit version.

The 1985 Arista 12" version was the "hit" Dance charts version, and although it is on Rhino's BB Dance Hits '85 it may be from a vinyl source.

Do we know if the Pantera 12" is a different mix from the Arista '85 12" mix, or do we think Arista just edited the original recording?

--

"Point of No Return" entered the Billboard Dance Club Songs top 50 on March 16th, 1985, at #29. The charts indicate it was at #56 the week before, but the charts only go down to 50, so...

It would make it to #1 on April 20th, and stay for a second week at #1 on the April 27th.

Its last appearance of the top 50 would be May 25th, at #45 before disappearing from the charts the next week. This means the 1985 12" had an 11-week run on the Billboard Dance Club Songs Top 50 charts.

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