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EdisonLite
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This is VERY interesting - Paul Haney writes:
<If you don't show chart data, then you don't need "authorization" from anyone!>
There are some low charting top 40 Billboard hits (#40, #39, #38 peakers) not in Pat's database, partly because of lower charting peaks in other magazines, but mainly because of (and mainly instigated by) Pat's concern of legal issues with all of the songs in his book/database matching with Billboard top 40 hits. JimCT has even given CD info for those "missing" songs that are Billboard top 40 hits. Billboard is, after all, considered the bible of the music industry. So most anyone who reads your book/database would expect, say, something like Paul Davis' "Love Or Let Me Be Lonely", a #40 Billboard hit, to be listed in the database.
So.... Pat, knowing Paul Haney's comments above, can you include these missing, low-charting Billboard top 40 hits? I don't think it would be too many songs, most of your subscribers feel they do belong in the book/database, and it would make your subscription service more valuable than not - to have these songs included.
And in terms of legal concerns, I also have to say you're even safer than you think. Even if you ignore Paul Haney's response, you have some songs included that AREN'T Billboard top 40 hits (because they peaked higher elsewhere). So even if you include every top Billboard hit and these other hits that averaged out higher, Billboard still can't say your database is based on their book, when you can cite MANY examples in your book that weren't even Billboard Top 40 hits!!
Add to the fact that you don't list any peak positions with each song, you're DOUBLY OK!
So Pat, given this, will you consider adding these "missing top 40 hits" to your database?
And I'd like to know if other chat members would like to see these "missing top 40 hits" (and I'm not even talking about the airplay-only hits) included in the database. I'm talking about sales and airplay hits that made the top 40!
(And yes, for the record I'd like to see the '90s airplay-only hits in the database, too.)
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Pat, I have the vast majority of these 90's airplay-only hits on promo CD singles, as well as both stock/promo 45s for the missing "fringe" Top 40 songs that Gordon has just referenced (and he's also correct that detailed thread info does already exist for a good many of these songs.) I'd be more than happy to provide you with these new details for your database. I'm also certain that will you have several reliable, willing volunteers here on the Board, that would be more than happy to take a lot of the research burden off of your shoulders. They could notify you as to which songs are on which CDs, in which versions, assisting you in a big way with any/all of these proposed new database entries. Pat, we are all aware that you don't have tons of available time/energy to take on something like this. So let us help you. Many of us have long ago earned your trust about our reported findings. This would just continue to build on the fact that many of us already happily work together with you to help keep your database as complete and accurate as possible.
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here, here!!!, jim...let me know what you need from me to assist...
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I have been out of town for the last week so pardon my delayed response to this topic. I have emailed Paul Haney who is going to help assemble some airplay only titles for me which would provide a partial expansion of the database. As far as going back further in time and adding all top 40 hits that charted on Billboard, I need to remind you that yes Billboard has outlasted Record World and Cash Box publictions but that does not mean that their charts were any more accurate than any other trade publication. It is well known that chart positions were bought in the old days and the best way I can think of to elminate those songs that really should have never been top 40 hits (based on airplay or sales)is to average the various trade publication charts to come up with a concensus top 40.
I can also tell you that I also get requests to expand the database beyond top 40 to top 100 status and I am swamped as it is just sticking to a top 40 limit regardless of how many contributors are willing to add additional data. Expanding the database would require going through all of the existing cd compilations to look for those added titles and I cannot tell you how painful a task that would be.
So I guess the best way to summarize what I am saying is that yes there probably will be a slow database expansion going forward but there are only 24 hours in each day and those 24 hours are already filled up for me. If someone else wants to buy this publication and expand it to include all Billboard Top 40 hits or Top 100 hits and import cd's then feel free to contact me as I would gladly sell off the existing publication.
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Pat Downey wrote:
I can also tell you that I also get requests to expand the database beyond top 40 to top 100 status and I am swamped as it is just sticking to a top 40 limit regardless of how many contributors are willing to add additional data. Expanding the database would require going through all of the existing cd compilations to look for those added titles and I cannot tell you how painful a task that would be. |
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A lot of work that in all likelihood few will appreciate. There are already plenty of songs that (legitimately or otherwise) made it into the low-to mid reaches of the top 40 that were by 'most any definition stiffs and only a handful of people care about. Why add more? Sure there are songs that low-charters in their day but are considered hits today, but where do you draw the line?
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Ed e-mailed me today, asking if I could locate a late-90's airplay thread that he couldn't find through the search feature. I think this is the one he's lookin' for, so I'm bumping it up for him...
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