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I remember the story of Thriller originally being ten songs and that the test pressing sounded so horribly compressed that they remixed the entire album, including shortening some songs and getting rid of one song (which may have been Carousel). I don't recall reading in either Quincy's or Michael's autobiographies that the original versions were released on the 12-inch singles.
I sure wish that they would release the original mix of the album, all ten songs. It would be fascinating to hear.
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do you think now that he's dead, SOMEONE, would get all the 45, single versions released as a set??
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budaniel wrote:
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Just wondering out loud...isn't that true of any 12-inch single? Most of the ones I've got have vocal and instrumental parts not on the album or 45. Is it the case of an artist going back to the studio to record takes for upcoming 12-inch singles at a later date, or were they all recorded at the original sessions and just used when it came time for the single?
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RichM921 wrote:
| As we all know, Thriller produced 7 huge singles out of the 9 tracks. At that time he was so hot that just about anything he put out could sell a million copies. I'm wondering why Epic didn't release the other two songs as singles as they were sure to have been Top 10 singles too. After "Thriller" was leaving the Top 40, I recall Q105 in Tampa playing "The Lady In My Life" which wasn't released as a commercial single, but was it released as a promo single? Maybe Q105 started spinning the song as a hunch that it might the next single. |
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I always wondered why "The Lady in My Life" wasn't released as a single. In late 1983, Billboard ran an article on the success of the album, and had mentioned that "Human Nature" was originally supposed to be the last single. It goes on to state that "PYT", "Thriller" and possilby "The Lady in My Life" after that will all be released as singles.
After the top 10 success of "PYT" and "Thriller" (and the buzz surrounding the video) the album shot back to No. 1 in early 1984 for several more months. Maybe Epic figured if it's back at No. 1 there was no need for an eighth single(?) It's too bad as I'm sure that would have gone top 10 too. I'd love to know the real reason!
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torcan wrote:
| Is it the case of an artist going back to the studio to record takes for upcoming 12-inch singles at a later date, or were they all recorded at the original sessions and just used when it came time for the single? |
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I would guess you are correct in that most cases the artist does not go back to the studio to record extra vocals for a 12" mix. They're probably just vocals that weren't used on the other versions.
"Billie Jean" is a somewhat unique case, though, in that the album version was edited down from the "Long Version." I'm sure there are other examples of this happening, but I would guess it is more the exception rather than the rule.
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As you might expect, sellers of Jackson product have increased selling prices substantially. Even for vinyl 45's, the "buy it now' prices start around $30.00 and increase upwards.
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In the 80s, sometimes the 12" versions were actually just the album versions marketed as 12" singles. Many dance artists had long versions on their albums that were edited down for the radio. OR, for example, as in the case with "What a Feelin" by Irene Cara, there was obviously a longer version recorded with an extra verse, and that was edited down for inclusion on the Flashdance soundtrack.
Artists usually didn't have ANY input on extended versions, so it wasn't very often that a 12" version had parts recorded specifically by the artist for an extended version. Exceptions included artists like Prince, who would actually record extra material for long versions. But remixers sometimes used studio musicians to add parts--take the 12" of Dancing in the Dark by Bruce Springsteen. There was definitely a recording session done with a whole lot of female background singers creating new vocal parts in the chorus on the 12" mix.
Many 12" single versions were remixed and extended by a remixer/producer simply using the original master tapes and reworking all the vocals and instrument tracks to extend the song.
The 80s were definitely the pinnacle of the 12" single phenomenon. They just don't make extended versions like that anymore!
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Have you guys heard this? This relates to what we were saying in the past couple posts about the album being shortened before release. Check this out -- the full, unedited "The Lady in My Life" with an extra chorus and verse.
The first chorus and second verse were simply snipped out for the final album version. This must be from the original, 50-minute version of the album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rW6NQTYjzw
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okay, this is just ridiculous. I had NO idea THAT track was an edit--but someone mentions in the comments that the missing verse is even included on the lyric sheet with the album!
SERIOUSLY, with TWO special editions of Thriller released in the last decade, they couldn't have FINALLY given us the full length album as Michael meant it to be??? Maybe NOW they will?
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budaniel wrote:
but someone mentions in the comments that the missing verse is even included on the lyric sheet with the album!
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That was me. Yeah, anyone who has any of the pre-special edition releases of the "Thriller" CD, look at the lyrics to "Lady in My Life" -- the missing verse is there. So is the unused end tag to "Thriller," Vincent Price saying, "Can you dig it?" before he breaks into his laugh.
I will assume the lyrics went to the printer before the album was remixed and chopped down.
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torcan wrote:
After the top 10 success of "PYT" and "Thriller" (and the buzz surrounding the video) the album shot back to No. 1 in early 1984 for several more months. Maybe Epic figured if it's back at No. 1 there was no need for an eighth single(?) It's too bad as I'm sure that would have gone top 10 too. I'd love to know the real reason! |
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Curiously, what did they use as B sides on the "Thrilller" singles? Older cuts from "Off The Wall", or did they recycle B sides like they did with Cyndi Lauper singles from "She's So Unusual"? All my 80s MJ singles are promos.
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Brian W. wrote:
Have you guys heard this? This relates to what we were saying in the past couple posts about the album being shortened before release. Check this out -- the full, unedited "The Lady in My Life" with an extra chorus and verse.
The first chorus and second verse were simply snipped out for the final album version. This must be from the original, 50-minute version of the album:
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This version has been released on some highly random promo CD. Unfortunately I can't remember exactly which one it's from, but I think it's a Quincy Jones CD. I'll research and get back on that!
EDIT: It's a Rod Temperton CD titled "The Songs of Rod Temperton." Found a person who has it, but won't share the song in lossless.
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Curiously, what did they use as B sides on the "Thrilller" singles? Older cuts from "Off The Wall", or did they recycle B sides like they did with Cyndi Lauper singles from "She's So Unusual"? All my 80s MJ singles are promos.
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US 45 b-sides:
"The Girl Is Mine", "Billie Jean" and "Thriller" had "Can't Get Outta The Rain", a non lp cut as the flip side.
"Beat It" used the Off The Wall cut "Get On The Floor" as its flip side.
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" used an instrumental version.
"Human Nature" had Thriller lp cut "Baby Be Mine".
"PYT" utilized a live version of "Working Day And Night" from the Jacksons 1981 live album.
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kind of glad they cut out the "Can you dig it" by Vincent Price! That would have been ridiculous, even back in 1983!!!
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Nick2341 wrote:
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The bastard!
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Whew! Billboard's Hot Digital Songs chart is out for the week ending Sunday. Mostly Michael. Very interesting to get digital totals for his songs. (And surprising to see the high ranking of P.Y.T.)
Hot Digital Songs represents all versions of the song, from all albums, combined together. I've rearranged these in order of total sales to date (which is the far right column). The chart postition they occupy on the chart is on the left. So here are all Michael's and the Jackson 5's entries on Hot Digital Songs, for the chart week ending this past Sunday:
-- 2 JACKSON*MICHAEL THRILLER 167444 999 4586 1401897
-- 4 JACKSON*MICHAEL BILLIE JEAN 158493 999 3898 1084127
-- 7 JACKSON*MICHAEL BEAT IT 133765 999 3792 862137
-- 9 JACKSON*MICHAEL DON'T STOP 'TIL YOU GET ENOUGH 125332 999 2853 789468
-- 14 JACKSON*MICHAEL P.Y.T. (PRETTY YOUNG THING) 105801 999 2685 563142
-- 31 JACKSON 5 I WANT YOU BACK 64186 999 2211 562363
-- 34 JACKSON 5 ABC 60020 999 2416 556574
-- 6 JACKSON*MICHAEL WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL 136330 999 1893 538464
-- 3 JACKSON*MICHAEL MAN IN THE MIRROR 164642 999 1589 473816
-- 12 JACKSON*MICHAEL SMOOTH CRIMINAL 111118 999 1532 456928
-- 17 JACKSON*MICHAEL ROCK WITH YOU 89581 999 1373 399997
-- 20 JACKSON*MICHAEL WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN' 76859 999 1022 380601
-- 13 JACKSON*MICHAEL BLACK OR WHITE 109584 999 959 299223
-- 29 JACKSON 5 I'LL BE THERE 65873 999 3407 285044
-- 23 JACKSON*MICHAEL BAD 73718 999 753 226204
-- 32 JACKSON*MICHAEL DIRTY DIANA 62433 999 752 200980
-- 37 JACKSON*MICHAEL HUMAN NATURE 57138 999 753 192155
-- 50 JACKSONS SHAKE YOUR BODY (DOWN TO THE G 40877 999 681 187341
-- 35 JACKSON*MICHAEL REMEMBER THE TIME 58748 999 746 175741
-- 51 JACKSON*MICHAEL OFF THE WALL 40809 999 564 168699
-- 28 JACKSON*MICHAEL YOU ARE NOT ALONE 66827 999 429 155373
-- 78 U.S.A. FOR AFRICA WE ARE THE WORLD 27033 999 601 149204
-- 48 JACKSON*MICHAEL WILL YOU BE THERE 41816 999 522 127506
-- 62 JACKSON*MICHAEL YOU ROCK MY WORLD 33426 999 367 121209
-- 72 JACKSON 5 NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE 29493 999 565 115632
-- 125 JACKSON 5 DANCING MACHINE 16375 999 431 108584
-- 143 JACKSON*MICHAEL ROCKIN' ROBIN 14510 999 471 106232
-- 70 JACKSON*MICHAEL SCREAM 29715 999 317 99348
-- 115 JACKSON 5 LOVE YOU SAVE 17765 999 449 96793
-- 75 JACKSON*MICHAEL BEN 29082 999 363 89899
-- 84 JACKSON*MICHAEL GIRL IS MINE 24919 999 266 89522
-- 116 JACKSONS CAN YOU FEEL IT? 17657 999 325 83031
-- 142 JACKSON*MICHAEL BUTTERFLIES 14533 999 280 77063
-- 91 JACKSON*MICHAEL SHE'S OUT OF MY LIFE 21577 999 204 69484
-- 96 JACKSON 5 GOT TO BE THERE 20361 999 324 68162
-- 100 JACKSON*MICHAEL WORKING DAY AND NIGHT 19598 999 290 64144
-- 137 JACKSON*MICHAEL LADY IN MY LIFE 15128 999 205 56110
-- 108 JACKSON*MICHAEL I JUST CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU 18338 999 156 53975
-- 136 JACKSON 5 WHO'S LOVIN' YOU 15288 999 373 52871
-- 109 JACKSON*MICHAEL HEAL THE WORLD 18247 999 141 51166
-- 120 MCCARTNEY*PAUL & MICHAEL JACKS SAY SAY SAY 16685 999 279 50305
-- 119 JACKSON*MICHAEL IN THE CLOSET 16960 999 139 46875
-- 112 JACKSON*MICHAEL LEAVE ME ALONE 17930 999 128 44030
-- 162 JACKSON*MICHAEL JAM 11984 999 128 35390
-- 169 JACKSON*MICHAEL THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US 11621 999 128 35052
-- 152 JACKSON*MICHAEL ANOTHER PART OF ME 12805 999 100 33185
-- 195 JACKSON*MICHAEL EARTH SONG 9907 999 107 32624
-- 158 JACKSON*MICHAEL GIVE IN TO ME 12506 999 92 28846
-- 178 JACKSON*MICHAEL WHO IS IT 11025 999 87 27918
-- 199 JACKSON*MICHAEL WE ARE THE WORLD (DEMO) 9675 999 37 24190
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Brian W. wrote:
I remember the story of Thriller originally being ten songs and that the test pressing sounded so horribly compressed that they remixed the entire album, including shortening some songs and getting rid of one song (which may have been Carousel).
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You can read more about this - and more about Thriller - in a great new Billboard story. Page 4 discusses the re-editing and remix.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/exclusive-how-michael-ja ckson-s-thriller-1003990525.story?pn=1
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