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davidclark
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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 11:16am \| IP Logged

yes I agree on this one, that the 45 mix of Touch Me is incredible and SO
much better than the LP mix. Why we have been denied this superior mix on
CD is beyond me. I had the 45, then when I bought my first Doors Best Of LP
years later, I was so disappointed in how inferior it sounded. Essentially
unlistenable. At least the remixed version on "The Very Best Of The Doors"
sounds closer to the 45 (even though it contains the "stronger than dirt" at
the end).

Edited by davidclark on 13 February 2013 at 11:20am

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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 12:02pm \| IP Logged

I did not grow up with this song; therefore, the 45 mix is not burned in my memory like it is for others on the board. While I prefer single versions most of the time, the 45 of "Touch Me" (even in mint condition) sounds like crap. Quite frankly, the mastering is so terrible on the 45 (no bass, too much mid-range, no high end, pressed too loud) it's hard to tell what the mix is supposed to sound like. I suppose I would actually like the 45 mix if I were to hear it from the master tapes with the proper EQ, but it's unlistenable on vinyl, at least to my ears.

Edited by aaronk on 13 February 2013 at 12:06pm

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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 7:41pm \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

I did not grow up with this song;
therefore, the 45 mix is not burned in my memory like it
is for others on the board. While I prefer single
versions most of the time, the 45 of "Touch Me" (even in
mint condition) sounds like crap. Quite frankly, the
mastering is so terrible on the 45 (no bass, too much
mid-range, no high end, pressed too loud) it's hard to
tell what the mix is supposed to sound like. I suppose I
would actually like the 45 mix if I were to hear it from
the master tapes with the proper EQ, but it's
unlistenable on vinyl, at least to my ears.

I agree on the original 45 pressing, having gone through
several copies trying to find a decent sounding one. But
I had better luck with the "Spun Gold" reissue 45, which
was mastered with more normal EQ and much less
compression. Still some distortion on my Spun Gold
pressing, though. But the superiority of the 45 mix
comes through on the Spun Gold pressing...just a much
better balance of elements spread across the stereo
field.

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Posted: 16 February 2013 at 9:03pm \| IP Logged

I picked up the Spun Gold "Touch Me" 45 in a store about two years ago, in the hope that I could replace my original 1969 copy, which didn't hold up well over the years. As I pulled the record out of its sleeve, I could see that it was of a more recent vintage, but decided to buy it anyway.

Unfortunately, this Spun Gold copy contains the LP version. Although the label looks identical to the Spun Gold line when Specialty was pressing it in the '80s and early '90s - it even has the "(SP)" under the catalog number - the newest edition is clearly a different animal. The vinyl surface isn't quite as smooth as the older Specialty copies, there's no Specialty logo pressed in the deadwax and the new cutting is decidedly quieter.

The deadwax etchings are comparatively faint: "ST-E-45052-A-1", and across from that: "MCR-RCE" (mastered at Master Cutting Room by Rick C. Essig.)

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Posted: 18 February 2013 at 1:23pm \| IP Logged

All the various Spun Gold 45s I own (Doors, Eagles, Jackson Browne) are the LP versions, with the exception of "Light My Fire", which is the stereo LP version/mix with the 45 version edit.

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 1:44am \| IP Logged

Paul C wrote:

All the various Spun Gold 45s I own (Doors, Eagles, Jackson Browne) are the LP versions, with the exception of "Light My Fire", which is the stereo LP version/mix with the 45 version edit.

My copy of the Spun Gold reissue of Light My Fire plays in stereo and contains an edit that is an attempt at the 45 version but it is not the correct edit, it also runs at the LP speed, not the original single speed.

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 7:49am \| IP Logged

TomDiehl1 wrote:

My copy of the Spun Gold reissue of Light My Fire plays
in stereo and contains an edit that is an attempt at the
45 version but it is not the correct edit, it also runs
at the LP speed, not the original single speed.

Many years ago I bought the Spun Gold reissue of LMF
hoping to get the single version in stereo. It was mono
as was "Love Me Two Times". I can't say for sure that it
was the correct edit, don't still have it.

Any Spun Gold reissues I've ever seen of "Riders On The
Storm" had the 45 version of both it and "Love Her
Madly".

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 8:22am \| IP Logged

TomDiehl1 wrote:

Paul C wrote:

All the various Spun Gold 45s I own (Doors, Eagles, Jackson Browne) are the LP versions, with the exception of "Light My Fire", which is the stereo LP version/mix with the 45 version edit.

You know, you just sparked something. Would that be the edit that cuts from the keyboard at (1:13) to the guitar at (5:13) of the LP version and then just plays out with no further edits?

I'm pretty sure WLS in Chicago carted that version to play as an oldie in the 1980s, so I'm wondering if at some point it was actually serviced to radio as a promo.

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 12:04pm \| IP Logged

I've got the disc in storage so I can't confirm where the edits are on it, however mine is a stock copy. I DO also have a promotional Spun Gold reissue which contains the mono single version, it is a styrene 45 while the version with the stereo edit is vinyl. I'd say it's quite possible the later Spun Gold 45 could've been serviced to radio stations also.

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 1:44pm \| IP Logged

It was the original '70s EKS-45051 Spun Gold reissue (with the semi-circular Spun Gold logo on top) of "Light My Fire" that first had the incorrect edit, in stereo. You can glean from the deadwax etchings as to whether or not a Spun Gold will be the original mono or the botched stereo edit. Monos carry the scratched-out (but still visible) 1967 "EK-45615-A" matrix number, accompanied by the newer "E-45-051-A" etching. The stereo reissue's deadwax reads "EKS-45051-A". The stereo reissue's groove pattern is also an instant giveaway that it is in stereo.

Those scratched-out matrix numbers on the '80s-vintage E-45051 "LMF" Spun Gold copies I have also happen to be in the same handwriting as the etching on my '67 original, and the lead-in groove spacings match. Both the original 45 and the mono Spun Golds are sourced from 1967 cuttings made on the same lathe.

The major labels - and independent distributors, for that matter - were all too happy to send gratis stock reissue copies if major reporting stations such as WLS asked for them. Sometimes these were stamped or stickered as promo/demonstration copies and sometimes not, depending on the label or distributor.

Edited by Yah Shure on 19 February 2013 at 1:57pm

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 2:04pm \| IP Logged

Does the botched stereo edit match my description or thereabouts?

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 2:34pm \| IP Logged

Doug, it does, indeed match your description. Listed time is the usual 2:52, actual is 3:06.

The edit comes at 1:14, though. ;)

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 10:06am \| IP Logged

Picky, picky. :)

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 5:01pm \| IP Logged

sriv94 wrote:

TomDiehl1 wrote:

Paul C wrote:

All
the various Spun Gold 45s I own (Doors, Eagles, Jackson
Browne) are the LP versions, with the exception of "Light
My Fire", which is the stereo LP version/mix with the 45
version edit.

My copy of the Spun Gold reissue of Light My Fire plays
in stereo and contains an edit that is an attempt at the
45 version but it is not the correct edit, it also runs
at the LP speed, not the original single speed.

You know, you just sparked something. Would that be the
edit that cuts from the keyboard at (1:13) to the guitar
at (5:13) of the LP version and then just plays out with
no further edits?

I'm pretty sure WLS in Chicago carted that version to
play as an oldie in the 1980s, so I'm wondering if at
some point it was actually serviced to radio as a promo.

There are two differences between the correct 45 edit and
the attempted re-edit: the wrong edit leaves in an extra
bar of music before the snare hits the triplet.

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Yah Shure wrote:

I picked up the Spun Gold "Touch
Me" 45 in a store about two years ago, in the hope
that I could replace my original 1969 copy, which
didn't hold up well over the years. As I pulled the
record out of its sleeve, I could see that it was of
a more recent vintage, but decided to buy it anyway.

Unfortunately, this Spun Gold copy contains the LP
version. Although the label looks identical to the
Spun Gold line when Specialty was pressing it in the
'80s and early '90s - it even has the "(SP)" under
the catalog number - the newest edition is clearly a
different animal. The vinyl surface isn't quite as
smooth as the older Specialty copies, there's no
Specialty logo pressed in the deadwax and the new
cutting is decidedly quieter.

The deadwax etchings are comparatively faint: "ST-E-
45052-A-1", and across from that: "MCR-RCE" (mastered
at Master Cutting Room by
Rick C. Essig.)

Mine (the all yellow label) is the single-mixed in
the slow final verse with strings and no "Stronger
than dirt". Other side has "Hello I Love You" without
the "(Won't you tell me your name)" as so mislabelled
on some copies of the originao HILY. BTW the times
are switched: 2:13 (Hello) for Touch and 3:09
(Touch..) for HellO..

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