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maciav wrote:
| "IT" claimed to have every hit that ever charted, but of course, they didn't. They did not have some of the rare charting singles that collectors on this website may have in their collections and may be extremely difficult to obtain. Some of these include Bob Dylan's "George Jackson", Cliff DeYoung's "My Sweet Lady", Neighborhood's "Big Yellow Taxi", Wilton Place Street Band's "Disco Lucy", and Wing and a Prayer Fife & Drum Corp's "Baby Face". However, this is one of the neat things about having the old AT40 countdowns on satellite radio. Even if SIRIUS/XM doesn't have these songs in their archives, and even if I don't have some of these songs in my collection, I can still hear them on the old AT40 shows. SIRIUS/XM is on thin ice with me. If they drop the AT40 70s shows, I am dropping them. |
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If they drop AT40-70s, I will drop them, too. But as for your other comment, I believe the final IT marathon (the one they aired in the fall 2007) DID have every top 40 hit of the '70s. The '80s channel deleted MANY MANY top 40 hits, especially ballads, and especially songs from the pre-MTV '80s. I was told that even the 2006 IT missed quite a few '70s top 40 hits, but I thought the 2007 one aired them all, including "My Sweet Lady", "Disco Lucy", etc. Are you sure these didn't air in the 2007 marathon?
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Since the first Billboard chart in July 1940, there have been a total of 13,606 Top 40 pop hits. According to the iTunes playlist in which I have every single one of them stored (all but five purchased lawfully) |
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I assume you mean for the vinyl-only charters you have the original 45s/LPs. Certainly iTunes has never sold any of the non-CD top 40 hits!
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EdisonLite wrote:
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Xmfan doesn't have separate chat boards for each of the decades channels, but rather one decades discussion which covers them all. You'll find that you are far from alone in your displeasure with the direction that the former XM music channels have taken.
Gordon, when can we expect to hear your own customized version of IT? ;) Let me know when you get to 1976, so I can hear which version of "Did You Boogie (With Your Baby)" you've decided to include. On second thought, I think I already know the answer to that. ;)
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That's the fun part of being both the Program Director and the audience! The final IT, which aired nearly two years ago, encompassed many songs outside of the top 40, particularly during the '50s, '60s and '70s segments. During the '60s decade, many of the songs that peaked between #49 and #41 were also included.
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| "IT" claimed to have every hit that ever charted, but of course, they didn't. They did not have some of the rare charting singles that collectors on this website may have in their collections and may be extremely difficult to obtain. Some of these include Bob Dylan's "George Jackson", Cliff DeYoung's "My Sweet Lady", Neighborhood's "Big Yellow Taxi", Wilton Place Street Band's "Disco Lucy", and Wing and a Prayer Fife & Drum Corp's "Baby Face". |
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Mike, I never heard XM claim that they were including every top 40 hit; instead, IT was billed as "The History of Pop Music," beginning with the pre-IT rundown of the biggest hits of the 1920s, with IT itself starting with 1930. All five of the records you cited were aired on the final 2007 IT (here's a link to the complete 2007 IT song list. Knowing that it was likely going to be their last hurrah, most of the XM staff poured their souls into going out in style, and the 2007 IT included many songs which had not previously been included. Bob Moke, the '40s channel guru, oversaw the 1930-1979 portion of IT, and made it shine. Unfortunately, it was almost immediately apparent with the beginning of the 1980 portion that the folks responsible for the latter part of IT really dropped the ball, with repeated and missing songs occuring frequently. All the same, it was an incredibly memorable radio show.
In a parting "thank you" letter to XM listeners, Kurt Gilchrist, the former XM Senior Program Director of the Decades Channels mentioned how such a massive undertaking had been hatched:
Kurt Gilchrist wrote:
| ‘Monster’ which later became ‘IT’ that came to me while having a conversation with Phlash (Phelps) about a special that he and Cleveland (Wheeler) were thinking about for the 60’s. Not everyone liked it…errr…..’IT’ but where else would I have had the chance to even attempt it. Even some of the less enamored listeners came to at least tolerate it. Now imagine getting six program directors, a team of production guys, Lee Abrams and Dave Logan all to agree on something that covers the 30s thru today….it was like herding cats…..plus all the missing music we had to locate… technical issues along the way…….but each year it got a little better… a little more ‘ear candy’ and with the help of Bob Moke… I feel the last one was something we could be proud of… |
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The sad part is that IT is still in the can, and could be aired if Sirius wanted to run it again. But the very notion of IT scares off every radio consultant incapable of thinking outside the box, including those who advise Sirius. And so it goes.
The 94 pages of xmfan's running commentary during the course of the 2007 IT can be found here.
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EdisonLite wrote:
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Since the first Billboard chart in July 1940, there have been a total of 13,606 Top 40 pop hits. According to the iTunes playlist in which I have every single one of them stored (all but five purchased lawfully) |
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I assume you mean for the vinyl-only charters you have the original 45s/LPs. Certainly iTunes has never sold any of the non-CD top 40 hits! |
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Yes, I started collecting Top 40 hits in 1984, years before I bought my first CD. About 25% of the songs are dubbed from vinyl (and some even from cassettes). It took about twenty years to bring my collection completely up to date. For about a year the last song I needed was "The Wise Old Owl" by Al Donahue. After twenty years of looking, a copy finally appeared in a Record Finders' auction. I bid about $50 - because I really, really wanted it....A few months later it was issued on a Collectables CD. (Update: After the release of the new Hot 100 this morning, there have now been 13,611 Top 40 hits.)
And there actually are a small number of non-CD Top 40 hits available on iTunes (there was a thread on the topic a year or two ago). A recent pleasant find on iTunes Canada was Randy Starr's "After School".
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Paul C wrote:
| For about a year the last song I needed was "The Wise Old Owl" by Al Donahue. After twenty years of looking, a copy finally appeared in a Record Finders' auction. I bid about $50 - because I really, really wanted it....A few months later it was issued on a Collectables CD. |
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Yeah, I was SO happy about that one.
I bought the big Japanese "Capitol Vocal Classics" boxed set on Ebay a few months ago for the Paul Weston version of "Ole Buttermilk Sky" and the Clark Denis version of "Peg 'O My Heart."
I sure wish SOMEONE would release Savannah Churchill's "(It's No) Sin" on CD (in decent sound). It's on an import, but the quality is AWFUL. It was recorded for RCA in 1951, so I'm sure it was done on tape. But very few companies seem to be interested in pre-rock-era music.
I believe the recent release of the David Carroll "Melody of Love" was the final top ten single of the rock era that was missing from CD. It sounds pretty good, but I think they used too much noise reduction on it... there's no high end left. It's so hard to believe that's never been issued on CD from a tape source anywhere, some Reader's Digest compilation or something.
With the pre-1950 stuff, it doesn't matter so much, because almost all of it was recorded direct to disc anyway. The Jasmine label is a mixed bag. They've got a gorgeous "Old Soldiers Never Die" on their Vaughn Monroe comp, but their recent Helen Carroll & The Satisfiers" CD sounds dreadful... No-Noised to DEATH.
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Yah Shure wrote:
EdisonLite wrote:
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Xmfan doesn't have separate chat boards for each of the decades channels, but rather one decades discussion which covers them all. You'll find that you are far from alone in your displeasure with the direction that the former XM music channels have taken.
Gordon, when can we expect to hear your own customized version of IT? ;) Let me know when you get to 1976, so I can hear which version of "Did You Boogie (With Your Baby)" you've decided to include. On second thought, I think I already know the answer to that. ;)
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| I expanded my version to include not just the top 40 hits but all the top 100 hits in my player! |
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That's the fun part of being both the Program Director and the audience! The final IT, which aired nearly two years ago, encompassed many songs outside of the top 40, particularly during the '50s, '60s and '70s segments. During the '60s decade, many of the songs that peaked between #49 and #41 were also included.
maciav wrote:
| "IT" claimed to have every hit that ever charted, but of course, they didn't. They did not have some of the rare charting singles that collectors on this website may have in their collections and may be extremely difficult to obtain. Some of these include Bob Dylan's "George Jackson", Cliff DeYoung's "My Sweet Lady", Neighborhood's "Big Yellow Taxi", Wilton Place Street Band's "Disco Lucy", and Wing and a Prayer Fife & Drum Corp's "Baby Face". |
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Mike, I never heard XM claim that they were including every top 40 hit; instead, IT was billed as "The History of Pop Music," beginning with the pre-IT rundown of the biggest hits of the 1920s, with IT itself starting with 1930. All five of the records you cited were aired on the final 2007 IT (here's a link to the complete 2007 IT song list. Knowing that it was likely going to be their last hurrah, most of the XM staff poured their souls into going out in style, and the 2007 IT included many songs which had not previously been included. Bob Moke, the '40s channel guru, oversaw the 1930-1979 portion of IT, and made it shine. Unfortunately, it was almost immediately apparent with the beginning of the 1980 portion that the folks responsible for the latter part of IT really dropped the ball, with repeated and missing songs occuring frequently. All the same, it was an incredibly memorable radio show.
In a parting "thank you" letter to XM listeners, Kurt Gilchrist, the former XM Senior Program Director of the Decades Channels mentioned how such a massive undertaking had been hatched:
Kurt Gilchrist wrote:
| ‘Monster’ which later became ‘IT’ that came to me while having a conversation with Phlash (Phelps) about a special that he and Cleveland (Wheeler) were thinking about for the 60’s. Not everyone liked it…errr…..’IT’ but where else would I have had the chance to even attempt it. Even some of the less enamored listeners came to at least tolerate it. Now imagine getting six program directors, a team of production guys, Lee Abrams and Dave Logan all to agree on something that covers the 30s thru today….it was like herding cats…..plus all the missing music we had to locate… technical issues along the way…….but each year it got a little better… a little more ‘ear candy’ and with the help of Bob Moke… I feel the last one was something we could be proud of… |
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The sad part is that IT is still in the can, and could be aired if Sirius wanted to run it again. But the very notion of IT scares off every radio consultant incapable of thinking outside the box, including those who advise Sirius. And so it goes.
The 94 pages of xmfan's running commentary during the course of the 2007 IT can be found here. |
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If they played these songs during 2007, my apologies. It does seem however, that rarities like these are not played as part of the regular rotation on SIRIUS/XM. If they were played during "IT", they should be played now. I really miss "IT", and thank you for the message board links. I didn't know these existed.
By the way, the AT40 countdown this past weekend was 10/20/79. I would mention the AT40 countdown from the 80s that played, but.....oh yeah, how could I forget.....They run their own countdowns now with the former MTV Video Jocks. What a joke! I am one subscriber increase away from cancelling!
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The funny thing about the 80s ones is they're the same AT40 countdowns, just with the MTV personalities introing and outroing (probably no Long Distance Dedications though--granted I didn't listen to the entire thing long enough to find out). The countdown played this past weekend matches the 10/25/80 list (never thought I'd ever hear Nina Blackwood utter the names "Robbie Dupree" and "Stacy Lattisaw").
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Yah Shure wrote:
<Gordon, when can we expect to hear your own customized version of IT? ;) Let me know when you get to 1976, so I can hear which version of "Did You Boogie (With Your Baby)" you've decided to include. On second thought, I think I already know the answer to that. >
Yes, I used your 45 version (gotten from the old napster days), which for the rest of you is the rare non-Wolfman Jack STEREO version - but with my version I removed any remaining evidence of vinyl (really got it to be CD quality), and I even extended it a little bit so it's as long as the other versions of the song (and maybe even longer).
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Maciav wrote: "If they played these songs during 2007, my apologies. It does seem however, that rarities like these are not played as part of the regular rotation on SIRIUS/XM."
That's absolutely true, but typical since the Sirius merger with XM. What's weird is even in 2007, after IT ended, and before the merger, XM 70s STILL didn't play a lot of the lower charting top 40 '70s hits that they now had! And I complained to John Clay about it, but he said they didn't want to expand beyond the songs that were in the regular rotation. Basically, they mostly just wanted to play songs that could be heard on terrestial radio. (I guess the mentality was... pay $13 a month so you can hear the same songs you'd hear for free on the radio!)
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And no other extras, no artist stories like Casey used to have, no repeat of the previous week's top 3, no playing 3 #1 hits from the '60s or '70s in chronological order, no AT40 theme music, no teasers. But other than that, exactly the same show ... except without any personality, excitement or life.
The fact that they're even counting down Billboard top 40 shows reveals this was all done for one purpose only ... to prevent paying Premiere Radio for their AT40 shows, saving the fee (which I guess is like $25 or 40 per week - but hey, they lose many many subscribers as a result. That's a good business decision, right?) Seems like it ought to be illegal for them to NOT pay to use the AT40/Billboard countdown but then to count down the Billboard top 40 hits anyway (without paying.) Maybe someone should report this suspicious activity to Premiere Networks.
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EdisonLite wrote:
The fact that they're even counting down Billboard top 40 shows reveals this was all done for one purpose only ... to prevent paying Premiere Radio for their AT40 shows, saving the fee (which I guess is like $25 or 40 per week - but hey, they lose many many subscribers as a result. That's a good business decision, right?) Seems like it ought to be illegal for them to NOT pay to use the AT40/Billboard countdown but then to count down the Billboard top 40 hits anyway (without paying.) Maybe someone should report this suspicious activity to Premiere Networks. |
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I'm not sure Premiere has any claim to the raw charts, which belong to Billboard/Nielsen. I've heard many other stations count down old Billboard charts, although these tend to be local stations, not national services like SiriusXM. In any case, Billboard doesn't seem to block stations from using their charts, if indeed they have the legal right at this point. In fact, I'm sure radio is the main market for the more expensive Whitburn books.
Also, I suspect SiriusXM's contract with Casey was far more than $40 a week.
All this said, like you, I'm disappointed with the loss of AT40 on 80s on 8.
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I can no longer find then-'80s channel PD Bruce Kelly's original post on xmfan, but do recall him writing six years ago that the reason XM dropped AT40 in 2003 was because of a large increase in the licensing fee they'd have to pay Billboard for the use of the Hot 100 chart info upon which AT40 was based. This was in addition to the licensing fees for the actual show itself from Premiere.
When Bruce announced the impending return of AT40 in 2005 on xmfan, his first statement was License probs worked out with BB Mag. He also stated at the time that he would not be airing any Shadoe Stevens AT40 shows. I'm strictly speculating here, but might it be that because Casey's AT40 reign did not encompass the entire '80s decade, Sirius believed it could save the licensing fees for the show itself and do an in-house countdown with their existing talent?
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When did Casey leave AT40? I want to say some time in 1988. I do recall his new show "Casey's Top 40" (which was based on R&R's chart, not BB) debuting in 1989.
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That's right. According to Wikipedia, his last show was 8/6/88.
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iHeartradio now has a playback channel with the AT40 70's countdown and the 80's countdown from the previous weekend that radio stations played. It updates every Monday for listeners that may have missed some of the countdown. Just search "Classic American Top 40" at iHeartradio.com. Sometimes the countdowns have remastered music, sometimes they don't.
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I'm not sure I understand, are you saying this channel plays nothing but the AT40 '70s and '80s countdowns continually?
And I assume they don't also air the previous weekend AT40 70s show that SXM plays, but just the ones that Premiere plays on syndicated radio stations. Is that the case?
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Right here, Edison... really enjoying this!
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Just wanted to point out that the iHeart Radio "Classic
American Top 40" channel is not just playing the previous
week's editions of the syndicated shows. Instead, they are
now playing random countdowns (alternating between a '70s
and an '80s show).
So now you can turn in several times during the week and
not have to listen to the same two countdowns over and
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And just as I posted that, comes news that Casey Kasem has
passed away.
As I type this, iHeart is playing the very first American
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