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How exactly do you edit the LP version of "Fool In Love With You" to create the 45 version?
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Hey - I just realized that in my post above, I created the very first post of the new decade.
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RichM921 wrote:
Paul C wrote:
JIM PHOTOGLO - FOOL IN LOVE WITH YOU
There are at least two differences between my U.S. commercial 45 and the iTunes download from the album of the same name. My 45 starts with a few cymbal taps and a bass note before the first drumbeat, while the download starts with the drumbeat. I haven't determined yet whether they are two different recordings, but there are differences in the way instruments are positioned in the stereo spectrum. Copyright line says "(p) 2009 Sire". |
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Well then the iTunes version could be the album version or the re-recording that came out years later. The original album version does not contain the cymbal taps, but it does run a few seconds longer since the 45 does contain an edit. I'm curious to know which version iTunes has. |
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I downloaded it, and it sounds like the album version to me (iTunes does have the re-recording available on Passages). I'd also be interested in where the edit falls on the 45.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| How exactly do you edit the LP version of "Fool In Love With You" to create the 45 version? |
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I'm gonna have to give you an answer by memory since I'm in the process of moving and half of my stuff is still packed away including all of my music.
Technically, the 45 can't be recreated from the album because the 45 has those previously mentioned cymbal taps at the beginning. Otherwise I believe the only edit is in the intro. Chop off the first 13 seconds of the album version, and add the cymbal taps at the beginning.
Once I get that unpacked, I'll take another listen and let you know if there is anything I need to add to that info.
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I've spoken too soon regarding iTunes. I just purchased my first "iTunes +" file, and I am quite impressed with the sound quality. I don't hear any of the digital artifacts that I hear on even a 256kbps mp3. They have obviously made drastic improvements to the sound quality in their store. And if they all sound as good as the song I just downloaded, I would choose an "iTunes +" file from tape source over a mint vinyl copy, without question.
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Same here Aaron. What song did you buy on iTunes that sounds so good? And what is the "iTuens +" format? Does that mean lossless, and if so, which type specifically?
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aaronk wrote:
| I don't hear any of the digital artifacts that I hear on even a 256kbps mp3. |
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Well, you know, AAC (which is the iTunes format) is technologically superior to MP3. AAC doesn't just randomly cut off all high frequencies like MP3 does. It's "more intelligent" than MP3, picks and chooses what to cut out more carefully.
This from Wikipedia article on AAC:
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Blind tests show that AAC demonstrates greater sound quality and transparency than MP3 for files coded at the same bit rate.[1]
Improvements include:
* More sample frequencies (from 8 kHz to 96 kHz) than MP3 (16 kHz to 48 kHz)
* Up to 48 channels (MP3 supports up to two channels in MPEG-1 mode and up to 5.1 channels in MPEG-2 mode)
* Arbitrary bit-rates and variable frame length. Standardized constant bit rate with bit reservoir.
* Higher efficiency and simpler filterbank (rather than MP3's hybrid coding, AAC uses a pure MDCT)
* Higher coding efficiency for stationary signals (AAC uses a blocksize of 1024 or 960 samples, allowing more efficient coding than MP3's 576 sample blocks)
* Higher coding accuracy for transient signals (AAC uses a blocksize of 128 or 120 samples, allowing more accurate coding than MP3's 192 sample blocks)
* Can use Kaiser-Bessel derived window function to eliminate spectral leakage at the expense of widening the main lobe
* Much better handling of audio frequencies above 16 kHz
* More flexible joint stereo (different methods can be used in different frequency ranges)
* Adds additional modules (tools) to increase compression efficiency: TNS, Backwards Prediction, PNS etc... These modules can be combined to constitute different encoding profiles. |
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EdisonLite wrote:
| Same here Aaron. What song did you buy on iTunes that sounds so good? And what is the "iTuens +" format? Does that mean lossless, and if so, which type specifically? |
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I purchased ZZ Top's "Sharp Dressed Man" [Digital 45], since the 45 turns out to have a unique mix. There are a couple import CDs that may have the right version, but I figured this would be as good of a time as any to try out iTunes again. The "iTunes +" is what Brian describes above---256kbps AAC. Almost everything in the store is now encoded in that bitrate, whereas it used to be 128kbps. I think only certain songs have not been upgraded, namely the ones where they did not have an uncompressed source to encode from.
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I was able to recreate the 45 for "Fool In Love With You" from Jim Photoglo using the iTunes source. Add the opening taps from the 45 at the beginning and take out about 10 seconds of the intro from :10 to about :21 seconds in and you have the 45 version. I didn't, unfortunately, write down exact times.
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There are quite a few tracks on iTunes that still are listed in the database as never on a domestic CD, including these from the seventies:
Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Lenny Welch '70
Sing A Song For Freedom - Frijid Pink '70
Song Of Joy - Miguel Rios '70
Give Ireland Back To The Irish - Wings '72
Last Kiss - Wednesday '74
Tell Me A Lie - Sami Jo '74
Baby Face - Wing and A Prayer Fife & Drum Corps. '76
The last track runs 6 1/2 minutes long (must be the LP version). The Miguel Rios track is in Spanish (not the English version heard on the debut of AT40).
Edited by Santi Paradoa on 19 January 2010 at 12:11pm
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The Wing And A Prayer LP on ITunes is definitely from a vinyl source.
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I'm wondering, after listening to the samples, if Sami Jo's "Tell Me A Lie" and "Last Kiss" from Wednesday are either remixed or re-recorded.
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I don't know what's being offered in the US, but on the Canadian iTunes service there are two different versions of "Last Kiss" by Wednesday being offered. The one on a multi-artist compilation called Kiss Me is a re-recording, but Unidisc (which controls the masters) has released the original Last Kiss album on iTunes.
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A couple of others I was surprised to see on iTunes:
"Think It Over" by Cheryl Ladd
"Love Being Your Fool" by Travis Wammack
Both made the Top 40 in Billboard, but aren't in Pat's database.
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Paul Haney wrote:
A couple of others I was surprised to see on iTunes:
"Think It Over" by Cheryl Ladd
"Love Being Your Fool" by Travis Wammack
Both made the Top 40 in Billboard, but aren't in Pat's database. |
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Had a chance to listen to the Cheryl Ladd sample. It sounds like a noisy vinyl source, perhaps with added noise reduction. Not worth purchasing.
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eriejwg wrote:
| Had a chance to listen to the Cheryl Ladd sample. It sounds like a noisy vinyl source, perhaps with added noise reduction. Not worth purchasing. |
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What's strange about that is that "Think It Over" is available on at least 2 CDs: a Cheryl Ladd compilation CD from Japan, and a US CD called "Lost Hits of the '70s". You'd think they could get a good source and maybe even use one of these CDs, so as not to have a vinyl source.
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80smusicfreak wrote:
| TANE CAIN - "Holdin' On": The song's original 1982 parent album, simply titled "Tane Cain" (which I've owned on cassette for over 20 years now) was legitimately re-issued on CD here in the U.S. this past July/August by the Renaissance label, and therefore, belongs in Pat's book/database. |
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Did anyone else notice when Pat added this one to the database it was added with a June 2010 date? You see the date at the top of the page after clicking on the View Latest Entries link.
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I went to the Itunes site today to purchase some of the digital tracks mentioned in this post and was surprised to discover the following songs are no longer available on Itunes:
Jim Photoglo - Fool In Love With You
Robbie Patton - Don't Give It Up
Greg Guidry - Goin' Down
Pia Zadora - Clapping Song
Wings - Give Ireland Back To The Irish
Sami Jo - Tell Me A Lie
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Maybe these weren't authorized. I've seen some "suspicious" labels on services like Rhapsody. I mean, what's to stop somebody from contacting I Tunes, telling them that they own the rights to say, the "Underground Sunshine", and post some "mastered from vinyl" tracks?
I'm not saying that the Underground Sunshine is a bogus post on I Tunes, but there is some awful sounding stuff on Rhapsody and other services, from labels I've never heard of. Some labels could be exaggerating limited rights they may have for physical distribution and are now distributing online. Or they're just lying.
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Many of the samples of those songs I heard sounded like poor vinyl transfers from random labels I'd never heard of.
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