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Hykker
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Yah Shure wrote:
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Aah, the old Koss Pro 4A's. I had a pair of those ear crushers too, as did probably 75% of other jocks I knew back in the 70s. Wearing them was somewhat akin to putting your head in a vise.
I like my AKGs a whole lot more.
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Hykker wrote:
Aah, the old Koss Pro 4A's. I had a pair of those ear crushers too, as did probably 75% of other jocks I knew back in the 70s. Wearing them was somewhat akin to putting your head in a vise.
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It was the Koss ESP-6 electrostatic model, actually: black headphones with the little red LED peak indicator lights that glowed when you probably needed to turn them down. That was fine, as long as you were standing in front of a mirror and could see them glowing. The phones came with a transformer box to match to the speaker output, but I seem to remember more smoke coming out of it than anything else. :) Been using SONY MDR-7509s for the last decade and love 'em.
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bwolfe wrote:
I'm glad you cleared the air on this one. My L&R/MGM copy is mono. The mix is much bolder than the stereo versions that have appeared on CD collections. It'll be great to hear a better mix of Sandy Posey. The only other disc that I've heard from her was on Collectibles and the quality wasn't good. Plus it was an early fade.
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All stereo copies of "Born a Woman" ran about 1:50, that is until the ERIC Records release comes out. The mono mix always ran 2:05.
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Can any one report on these?
Edited by Indy500 on 17 February 2010 at 3:26pm
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Indy, I pre-ordered Vols. 11 & 12 back on 1/22, and my current order status now says they will both be shipped out next Tuesday, 2/23, so no review possible just yet. The poster "Smvceo" is Tom Daly, the actual masterer of the discs for Eric, so he would certainly know sooner of those "Born A Woman"-type details before the discs were officially released.
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Indy, my friend/veteran industry broadcast engineer "Smokin' Tom Gary" has just received his Vols. 11 & 12. (Mine must still be at my PO Box.) Tom just e-mailed me, saying that Vol. 12's "Come Saturday Morning" is, once again, the stereo LP version, not the "original 45RPM version", as is again stated on both volumes. Tom e-mailed ERIC CEO Bill Buster. He admitted that he was aware of the 45/LP version differences for the song. Bill also wrote that, aside from a very few collectors, stereo is what sells, and stereo is what people want. In my opinion, that was definitely true 10-20 years ago. Buster's opinion runs completely contrary to what Collector's Choice's CEO Gordon Anderson has noted of late for his label's recent, top-selling mono 45 CD comps. Tom did compliment Bill on the stereo version of "Game Of Love", which Bill said took more than 50 hours of painstaking engineering work to perfect. (As of now, I have no other evaluations.) Bill also said that Eric needs a larger minimums # of CDs sold to justify continuing the whole endeavor in 2010, which I'm sure is true. Conclusion: If a little fibbing/puffery/unaccurate statements is required to sell more CDs, he will do it. To me, honest mistakes are one thing; flat-out lies are another. My only real beef here is that Bill "Pinocchio" Buster can obviously sleep at night by continuing to state that "all tracks are the original 45 RPM single versions" on his jewel case inserts, despite knowing full well that it may not be true. I could not. But this is the real world. Bill, going forward, why not just consider removing that one statement? I would then be satisfied. Just thought you guys should all know about this. I do thank Bill Buster for at least responding to Tom, and thanks to Tom as well for his quality detective work here. As always, good future CD buying decisions by us are based on good information.
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jimct wrote:
| Tom just e-mailed me, saying that Vol. 12's "Come Saturday Morning" is, once again, the stereo LP version, not the "original 45RPM version", as is again stated on both volumes. Tom e-mailed ERIC CEO Bill Buster. He admitted that he was aware of the 45/LP version differences for the song. |
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That's certainly a disappointment. I probably would have bought this CD if it contained the mono single version of "Come Saturday Morning", but there isn't much else on this release that I'm interested or don't already own.
I do like to support the Eric "Hard to Find" releases when I can, and am planning on purchasing the other CD next week ("Sugar Pop Classics"), primarily because it contains the correct 45 version of "Montego Bay". But I do agree that they should clearly label when something is a LP version, to the extent that they are aware. Thanks for the heads up regarding "Come Saturday Morning".
I'm a bit surprised that they believe that stereo is the big selling point. If anything, I would think that previously unavailable 45 versions would be the most marketable aspect of these types of releases at this stage of the game.
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Roscoe wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that they believe that stereo is the big selling point. If anything, I would think that previously unavailable 45 versions would be the most marketable aspect of these types of releases at this stage of the game.
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Which is why I'll only be buying vol 11. First time on CD for the single version of Montego Bay.
And granted it's the Beatles, but the first pressing of their mono set sold-out the day they hit the shelves.
Edited by Indy500 on 21 February 2010 at 10:30pm
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To Indy500:
Although it sounds EXCELLENT, I would like to alert you that, to my ears, "Montego Bay" is a recreation of the 45 version, made possible by crossfading a 45 with the album mix near the end of the song.
My pressing of the "Montego Bay" 45 was a different, narrower mix; the bulk of 'Vol. 11"'s version is the LP mix.
Andy
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Thanks for the heads up, Andrew. "Montego Bay" was on my list, too, but I will NOT be buying this Eric release.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
To Indy500:
Although it sounds EXCELLENT, I would like to alert you that, to my ears, "Montego Bay" is a recreation of the 45 version, made possible by crossfading a 45 with the album mix near the end of the song.
My pressing of the "Montego Bay" 45 was a different, narrower mix; the bulk of 'Vol. 11"'s version is the LP mix.
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Yep, just received my CD today and listened to it. The giveaway is the prominent Caribbean drum (or whatever instrument that is) pans from the left to the right channel at about the 2:14 mark. I'm not sure why they didn't just swap the channels of the LP version so that instrument placement in the stereo field was closer to the 45 mix; the mix still wouldn't quite match but they could have avoided the jarring pan effect.
In any event, a big disappointment. They probably couldn't locate a tape source for the 45 version, which is a bummer. But I'm sticking with my needledrop rather than using the stitched together version on this CD.
On a positive note, "Girl Watcher" does have improved sound on this disc. They must have found a cleaner 45 to use. The best sounding version previously was on the Beg, Scream & Shout box set. Unfortunately, a thread on the BSN board recently indicated that an original member of the O'Kaysions has stated that he has a tape copy of the master and that the original master should exist in Universal's vaults. Too bad this came to light after this CD was already in production.
Edited by Roscoe on 25 February 2010 at 9:20pm
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